discussion Complete KN Ren'Py DAZ Sandra [V1.0] [Anonymous]

[Kumi]

Need a continuation story with the daughters from the Family route! I like to play this game. Please.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Agreed, I'm pretty sure that sort of thing seldom if ever happens in reality, but you're writing a fantasy loli porno. Going by what I've read in LewdCorner forums and elsewhere, the majority of your potential audience for that kind of project keep their weird NSFW fantasy art kick separate from their "reality" as much as possible. For the sake of discussion, though, let's take a realistic look at your game situation presented so far. The girl looks to be about 12 or less, and the man looks late twenties early thirties. He's not bad looking or without means, and so if he's interested in a legitimate emotionally fulfilling relationship instead of pervert's paradise, he's going to pursue a grown legal woman rather than a sexually curious and adventurous (naughty) little girl. I'd hazard a guess that the kind of men who sex little girls in reality by and large couldn't give a shit less about what that does to the girl's underdeveloped psyche. Unless he's completely insane, he knows in the back of his mind that he's going to wind up in jail or worse and that she's going to struggle with those memories for the rest of her life, but he does it anyway. Now, if you want to present that kind of real-life dark drama in your project, go for it. Speaking for myself, I prefer these things to be more far fetched, dream-like, so far from reality as to be ridiculous. It's more fun that way.

Don't underestimate reality, which can be stranger or darker than fiction. You only wind up in jail if you get caught, so don't get caught then it don't matter (ie make sure she can keep a secret too, at least until the statute of limitations is up if not forever). And you'd be surprised in the real world what 30-something men will fuck given the opportunity, even though most would never openly admit as much. They may not necessarily prefer 12yo's but certainly won't turn one down either if they are pretty and dtf, and may not necessarily be looking for someone their own age either (at least not unless they have a cute daughter) and it's very unlikely they will otherwise just fall into their laps like in some silly romcom, especially if they are picky as far as looks, personality, etc preferences go. Hell if I wasn't fucking my sister I'd probably be either still a virgin at 38 or fucking some tween/teen myself (those preferences have never changed over the years just because I've done another couple dozen laps around the sun since then).

 

[0bora]

Prob no one and just an AI, since humans are going obsolete fast. All we need now are AI-controlled bio-androids and even whores will then be out of a job.

Who is singing the main menu song?
Its beautiful

Song is a cover to the Avicii - Wake Me Up.
And by my ear is the same voice/person ( ASHLEY JOHNSON ) wich is performing AHA-Take On Me cover in the Black&White .
(so many nice warm songs are also present into Black&White AVN)

Need a continuation story with the daughters from the Family route! Please! Great game though, Thanks for the entertainment.

Need a continuation story with the daughters from the Family route! I like to play this game. Please.

It said: "ovaries athrophied beyond repair" and "never can have children on it's own".
So right from the start there is no way of daughters. But... we can imagine that Tom is giving it to her hard and constantly and the doctor observe improvements, find out what is happening between them and guess what, she encourage them and with hard work the "installation" is restored in time.
Your dreams come true => daughters

 

[Nicest_Incest]

It said: "ovaries athrophied beyond repair" and "never can have children on it's own".
So right from the start there is no way of daughters. But... we can imagine that Tom is giving it to her hard and constantly and the doctor observe improvements, find out what is happening between them and guess what, she encourage them and with hard work the "installation" is restored in time.
Your dreams come true => daughters

Teen girls tend to be fertile as all hell. They literally have 1M eggs by puberty. Her situation would be harder to get pregnant, but prob not impossible, as I can't imagine any sort of infection killing every egg without also being bad enough to also kill her. As you said prob just needed to bang the dust off her ovaries and give them a jumpstart. Most uterus infections don't really kill the ovaries anyway, just leave scar tissue that can be removed with some surgery (and would also prevent periods since scar tissue doesn't slough off). Most people get a 2nd opinion in medical situations like this (lessens the odds of misdiagnosis, doctors are human too), but I guess that would raise eyebrows if he said something like "yeah doc, I'm here for a 2nd opinion, I'm trying to get my 13yo adopted daughter pregnant and was told she couldn't".

 

[Thorn69]

Yeah it was alright I guess. Quite short, No choices to be made whatsoever. Sandra is fairly cute except for her angry face which she wears for like 60% of the time. It also states that it's completed but it sure as shit didn't feel like an ending to me and I didn't have enough interest to bother reading the original story for one either.

 

[Ceesko]

Should be tagged kinetic. Kinetic games should be tagged.

 

[angband]

Prob no one and just an AI, since humans are going obsolete fast. All we need now are AI-controlled bio-androids and even whores will then be out of a job.

I for one welcome our new robot overlordswhores

 

[Deschain]

Song is a cover to the Avicii - Wake Me Up.
And by my ear is the same voice/person ( ASHLEY JOHNSON ) wich is performing AHA-Take On Me cover in the Black&White .
(so many nice warm songs are also present into Black&White AVN)

You're right bout the b/w song .. (love this version)
But to solve the riddle about Sandras main menu song:

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[Deschain]

Should be tagged kinetic. Kinetic games should be tagged.

Yes, I have to agree with you!
Could someone please add a "kinetic" tag?
...
Maybe even where everyone can see it ... I would suggest here ..??

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[Nicest_Incest]

Yes, I have to agree with you!
Could someone please add a "kinetic" tag?
...
Maybe even where everyone can see it ... I would suggest here ..??

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lol a case of hiding in plain site. Some that zero in on tags seem to do the reverse of the usual, read the fine print but ignore the big letters in colored backgrounds.

 

[Deschain]

The coding seems a little buggy. Pressing H has no effect and S gets you an error screen.

As you are the second person to mention "s gets you an error" I am a bit confused as I can't reproduce the error (for me, screenshots work as desired) and could not detect any bugs from the first error report.

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[Vidilo]

I repeat my plea: can someone with the bandwidth to download the 1,9 GB create a compressed version and upload it here? That would be awesome!

 

[Puffnstuff]

Struggling with this game so far. I've not downloaded the most recent update that dropped a couple days ago but I think this is a case of a few poorly done things that collided and made, what could have been an amazing story, it odd and even mostly boring for me. I'm into slow burn stories that focus on love and romance, I really am, but this story is a long form story that was modified to fit into an AVN format. It needed much more editing for this I think. The problem is that I think it's possible the original story was itself already boring? First off, the MC spends too much time in his head about stuff that it becomes tedious. I've read others like this...we don't need to know every damn thought that the MC is thinking. Novels don't do this for a very good reason, it's called, "Show, don't tell." The MC spends so much time pontificating and trying to convince us of his own particular philosophies and thoughts on this type of relationship, about love between a 12 year old and adult, and the rules governing such a relationship, that it really just comes across as him trying to justify his own feelings and actions to an audience that by and large doesn't care, won't be convinced, or already wholeheartedly agrees. In fact, it has the effect of creating a debate, which I've already seen in the comments opinions about his opinions. How's that for irony? A better option would have been to simply write the story and make no justifications or apologies about it. It is not the authors job to convince us of the veracity or the rightness or wrongness about any of this stuff...just write the story, move it forward.

My next problem is simple, the age of Sandra. While she does have the beginning of boobs, her size and face are not that of most all 12 year olds. She's like an 8 maybe 9 year old with some slight boobage. This in and of itself could be overlooked as her just being very petite/short, but now add her personality and behavior, which is all over the damn place. One minuute she's 8, the next she 16, and everything in between. I don't think the author was/is a dad of a daughter or even spends a fair bit of time around girls at various stages of emotional/mental development. The only thing that struck me as genuine is her temper, and her quiet thoughtfulness at times. The rest was a moving target of the author trying his best to pinpoint her behavioral maturity and missing as often as hitting.

ALL that said, I did like Sandra herself, especially if she was 9 or 10, which would have been easier to believe given her behavior and size. The facial expressions were cute. her non ponytail look added some needed age to a too youthful appearance. The story is not bady written at all when the story is moving forward. Most of Sandra's written parts are actually very good. There should be more dialog between them and less inner monologue. Humor is a bit lacking as well. a 9-14 year old girl would be all about banter.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Struggling with this game so far. I've not downloaded the most recent update that dropped a couple days ago but I think this is a case of a few poorly done things that collided and made, what could have been an amazing story, it odd and even mostly boring for me. I'm into slow burn stories that focus on love and romance, I really am, but this story is a long form story that was modified to fit into an AVN format. It needed much more editing for this I think. The problem is that I think it's possible the original story was itself already boring? First off, the MC spends too much time in his head about stuff that it becomes tedious. I've read others like this...we don't need to know every damn thought that the MC is thinking. Novels don't do this for a very good reason, it's called, "Show, don't tell." The MC spends so much time pontificating and trying to convince us of his own particular philosophies and thoughts on this type of relationship, about love between a 12 year old and adult, and the rules governing such a relationship, that it really just comes across as him trying to justify his own feelings and actions to an audience that by and large doesn't care, won't be convinced, or already wholeheartedly agrees. In fact, it has the effect of creating a debate, which I've already seen in the comments opinions about his opinions. How's that for irony? A better option would have been to simply write the story and make no justifications or apologies about it. It is not the authors job to convince us of the veracity or the rightness or wrongness about any of this stuff...just write the story, move it forward.

My next problem is simple, the age of Sandra. While she does have the beginning of boobs, her size and face are not that of most all 12 year olds. She's like an 8 maybe 9 year old with some slight boobage. This in and of itself could be overlooked as her just being very petite/short, but now add her personality and behavior, which is all over the damn place. One minuute she's 8, the next she 16, and everything in between. I don't think the author was/is a dad of a daughter or even spends a fair bit of time around girls at various stages of emotional/mental development. The only thing that struck me as genuine is her temper, and her quiet thoughtfulness at times. The rest was a moving target of the author trying his best to pinpoint her behavioral maturity and missing as often as hitting.

ALL that said, I did like Sandra herself, especially if she was 9 or 10, which would have been easier to believe given her behavior and size. The facial expressions were cute. her non ponytail look added some needed age to a too youthful appearance. The story is not bady written at all when the story is moving forward. Most of Sandra's written parts are actually very good. There should be more dialog between them and less inner monologue. Humor is a bit lacking as well. a 9-14 year old girl would be all about banter.

Boring inner monologues that go on and on but can be summarized in the first sentence = crtl+skip works wonders for fixing any Renpy AVN. Overall I liked it, even though he only fucked her once. Scenes like at the steakhouse with 1000-word inner monologues about the MC's personal opinions on the morality of fucking 12-13yo's and how he agrees with society's laws on that, yeah, ctrl+skip, because I not only don't agree with that but don't give a fuck about dumb shit like what's generally considered moral or not either (for starters society can kiss my ass, fuck the opinions of a bunch of total strangers I don't give a shit about).

 

[Thorn69]

As you are the second person to mention "s gets you an error" I am a bit confused as I can't reproduce the error (for me, screenshots work as desired) and could not detect any bugs from the first error report.

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But you can send me yours if you like.

I got about 6 screenshots in myself before it happened.

 

[Wannabe]

>>> There is nothing wrong with a romance approach to a loli game...

I'd tend to agree with you there. Nothing wrong with romantic fantasy even it is between a grown man and a girl who's probably still in grade school. Keep in mind that my previous post (the one you responded to) in this thread was written long before this recent update that presents an option to see the two of them stay together. They develop that emotionally fulfilling relationship we were talking about as the girl matures into a grown woman. That wasn't there then. Not to say that I would necessarily have written anything different if it were.

 

[STasH15]

First off I have to say thank you to Lirius Art for bringing this game together. Also, thanks to Deschain for your contribution. I enjoyed the music and sound of the game. I believe I read somewhere that was your doing Deschain. Well done. I've heard the sound and music is even better in Black and White. I have not played it yet, but I'm looking forward to it. Waiting until the next update. It looks spicy. I also enjoyed the writing. No skipping on this AVN. The story kept pushing me forward.

Like a few others have mentioned. I did have the error with the S key and received the error others have posted. If I hit the ignore prompt and kept playing the game, the in game menu (bottom of the screen: Q Save, Skip, Preferences...etc) would disappear. I had to rollback to prevent this from happening whenever I took a screenshot. Even with the error the screenshot was still taken and saved. For me it was a slight hidrance and did not take anything away from the game. Looking forward to future stories in Black and White and The Trio.

 

[happy2007]

Ahh man ended a little to fast, but to hope there is part 2 starting with the family ending path!!! that looked sooo interesting and a great story for a future VN!!!

 

[Deschain]

I got about 6 screenshots in myself before it happened.

Hi !
Thank you first of all!
This looks quite similar to the one I got from the other user.
It would be nice if you could send it to me , maybe via pm. (there should be a 'traceback.txt' file in the Sandra folder)
At first glance, it doesn't look like the game is the problem, but rather RenPy. But I will investigate!

 

[Deschain]

First off I have to say thank you to Lirius Art for bringing this game together. Also, thanks to Deschain for your contribution. I enjoyed the music and sound of the game. I believe I read somewhere that was your doing Deschain. Well done. I've heard the sound and music is even better in Black and White. I have not played it yet, but I'm looking forward to it. Waiting until the next update. It looks spicy. I also enjoyed the writing. No skipping on this AVN. The story kept pushing me forward.

Like a few others have mentioned. I did have the error with the S key and received the error others have posted. If I hit the ignore prompt and kept playing the game, the in game menu (bottom of the screen: Q Save, Skip, Preferences...etc) would disappear. I had to rollback to prevent this from happening whenever I took a screenshot. Even with the error the screenshot was still taken and saved. For me it was a slight hidrance and did not take anything away from the game. Looking forward to future stories in Black and White and The Trio.

Hi!
First of all, thank you for the praise. I think we're both doing our best and have improved a lot in many aspects when you compare the older games with the slightly newer ones - which, by far, does not mean that they are perfect.
Just as you can't reach/satisfy everyone with story and writing style. But in this respect I'm trying to work on myself and critic is appreciated, even if I will of course always have my own style.
And yes, I'm also responsible for the music in Sandra. Only the - rightfully (!) - much praised main menu/title track was chosen by Lirius. So all credits to him.

Regarding the screenshot problem, thanks for the details (with the quick menu), I'll have a look. something's not right ...
I'll let you know when I've found out something.
(Gotta work on black&white now )