discussion Mississippi joins Texas in Age verification in the States.

[Arachel]

Texas' law currently only deals with pornographic material, but Mississippi's new law put into place is more akin to the UK's law dealing with social media. Currently, the US Supreme Court upheld the law, but it's still being deliberated on and the team opposed is hopeful that it'll be overturned as unconstitutional. Some sites like BlueSky have even dropped entirely in the state, similar to what you see with Rumble dropping countries rather than conforming, but BlueSky cites not wanting to spend the money to contest it. It's actually been in effect for a while, but nobody wanted to talk about it until it hit Reddit. Currently, though, all it's doing is helping to sell VPNs since it's state-level and all.

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[Nightmare442]

God have mercy on your souls everything is going to sh!t

 

[Arachel]

God have mercy on your souls everything is going to sh!t

Yeah, but you have mods here who claim to be against censorship editing posts "so they can stay" on the forum. Effectively endorsing censorship in their own right when it doesn't agree with their ideology. It's a case where something is only considered "political" if it disagrees with them whereas. You can argue EVERYTHING literally everything is political in some way shape or form. Posts on here bashing Trump and Elon have been allowed to stand, but if you support 2A or call out cackling Kamala apparently it's suddenly political considering this mirrors actions taken against 2A and that was removed from the opening post. They take something and say it's about something else to move the Overton window to ultimately take away rights and extend government overreach. "Common Sense" gun laws are the "Think of the children" for 2A. The Texas law in place for pornography has stood for awhile now and the Supreme Court has fully ruled on it as it being important to "protect children from sexually explicit material" so it's likely not going to get overturned and in cases like these and with gaming people can stomach the restriction of X rated material (except when it it's from the Alphabet Mob then they claim the Republicans are "banning books" when those books were pornographic in nature including depictions of coprophagia but they never mention that since it's inconvenient to them) They then use this narrative to extend the overreach that the Social Media is a corrupting influence when it's the parent's job to monitor and restrict content their children have access to not the government. The real reason why companies capitulate to this nonsense when they aren't required is because websites want a database of their users so they can target ads whilst governments like the control it affords them. The CCP can restrict people's access to the internet by requiring their IDs and that's where the UK laws are heading with other countries following suit as they force their restrictions on websites that will bend the knee to such ideology like Youtube for instance. Youtube gets to stay in those countries, but they also are then able to form a database of their users for targeted ads so it's a win-win from their perspective and the only people that lose are the users themselves.

 

[cosicosi89]

Interesting development! The implications of Mississippi's law could be huge for social media platforms. It's not just about freedom of speech, but also about the financial burden of compliance. BlueSky's decision to drop entirely rather than conform is telling. Wonder if other platforms will follow suit. The fact that it's been in effect for a while without much discussion.. sucks.

 

[Arachel]

Interesting development! The implications of Mississippi's law could be huge for social media platforms. It's not just about freedom of speech, but also about the financial burden of compliance. BlueSky's decision to drop entirely rather than conform is telling. Wonder if other platforms will follow suit. The fact that it's been in effect for a while without much discussion.. sucks.

Blue Sky's decision was one that they didn't want to fight the law, not a decision. Conforming to it just for Mississippi would have affected users in the rest of the states. It was more a matter of not wanting to change their model for 1/50 states than being a financial burden. Even Bluesky knows they couldn't survive if they started requiring ID when they didn't need to.

It's not discussed because of pro-censorship sites. This site for example is pro-censorship, editing and taking down posts that go against their narrative. The thing about this site is they're pro-censorship and yet complain about it when it affects them, but they don't do themselves any favors when they allow people to claim they're committing crimes and do nothing about it which violates the terms of service of their host software claiming that they're not Xenforo, but they still have to abide by their licensing agreement so them refusing to do anything about those users because it's a highschool popularity contest just invites trouble and could be a reason they have had so much trouble in the past. Their host software is governed by UK law, the same UK with their Child Safety Act and where it's a hate crime to misgender somebody so there's hardly Freedom of Speech there.

The bigger implication is that the US thinks that Australia's and the UKs policies won't come to the US so they view it as a foreign issue and when it does it's too late. Texas' censorship is a prime example of governmental overreach and it's a conservative state so it's hardly a partisan issue and everybody should be paying attention. The issue here is that the left will blame the right and the right will blame the left. Typically it's the leftwing that are pro-censorship, but the right for instance in Florida wanted to remove porn from their school libraries and look how that was spun by the left, they claimed the right was pulling a Fahrenheit 451 however they purposely didn't show the content of the books the right was supposedly "banning" and it was hardly a ban it was just a removal from schools. They were only upset to begin with because it was pro-Alphabet Mafia meanwhile leftwing librarians have openly admitted to hiding anything that speaks positvely of Trump and they seem to see nothing wrong with that. You also have the mainstream media that will refuse to cover anything that is inconvenient to their narratives and that includes these sort of censorious action that we see in Mississippi.

 

[blacblacblac]

Blue Sky's decision was one that they didn't want to fight the law, not a decision. Conforming to it just for Mississippi would have affected users in the rest of the states. It was more a matter of not wanting to change their model for 1/50 states than being a financial burden. Even Bluesky knows they couldn't survive if they started requiring ID when they didn't need to.

It's not discussed because of pro-censorship sites. This site for example is pro-censorship, editing and taking down posts that go against their narrative. The thing about this site is they're pro-censorship and yet complain about it when it affects them, but they don't do themselves any favors when they allow people to claim they're committing crimes and do nothing about it which violates the terms of service of their host software claiming that they're not Xenforo, but they still have to abide by their licensing agreement so them refusing to do anything about those users because it's a highschool popularity contest just invites trouble and could be a reason they have had so much trouble in the past. Their host software is governed by UK law, the same UK with their Child Safety Act and where it's a hate crime to misgender somebody so there's hardly Freedom of Speech there.

The bigger implication is that the US thinks that Australia's and the UKs policies won't come to the US so they view it as a foreign issue and when it does it's too late. Texas' censorship is a prime example of governmental overreach and it's a conservative state so it's hardly a partisan issue and everybody should be paying attention. The issue here is that the left will blame the right and the right will blame the left. Typically it's the leftwing that are pro-censorship, but the right for instance in Florida wanted to remove porn from their school libraries and look how that was spun by the left, they claimed the right was pulling a Fahrenheit 451 however they purposely didn't show the content of the books the right was supposedly "banning" and it was hardly a ban it was just a removal from schools. They were only upset to begin with because it was pro-Alphabet Mafia meanwhile leftwing librarians have openly admitted to hiding anything that speaks positvely of Trump and they seem to see nothing wrong with that. You also have the mainstream media that will refuse to cover anything that is inconvenient to their narratives and that includes these sort of censorious action that we see in Mississippi.

You willingly chose to challenge your readers prior to even reading the first letter on each of your posts. Not just the font but the color as well. God help me.

Also the antiarguments have to have a line in the sand. If this site is pro censorship what is an example of a website that isn't. Understand that to launch any product to a large userbase and be 'pro-free speech' you have to juggle not getting the entire site assblasted by all the different laws you run into. Understand that if this site goes down due to regulatory content concerns the next one that comes up won't be MORE free.

 

[Arachel]

You willingly chose to challenge your readers prior to even reading the first letter on each of your posts. Not just the font but the color as well. God help me.

Also the antiarguments have to have a line in the sand. If this site is pro censorship what is an example of a website that isn't. Understand that to launch any product to a large userbase and be 'pro-free speech' you have to juggle not getting the entire site assblasted by all the different laws you run into. Understand that if this site goes down due to regulatory content concerns the next one that comes up won't be MORE free.

First off there is a way to turn off styles.

Secondly the censorship has nothing to do with legality on this site. This site ignores people claiming to break actual laws, but if they censor anything they deem as "political" because they CHOOSE to, that's pro-censorship. Trying to argue a tangential "point" that they're marketing a product is absurd and then trying to say they're doing it because of laws is doubly absurd.

Finally if they were really concern with the site being taken down they wouldn't allow members to openly claim to be breaking the laws. They may have paid for a Xenforo license, but the licensing agreement still applies. If the site is taken down it's going to be for stupid things like that not because somebody isn't agreeing with the "orange man bad" demographic rampant on the site that somehow gets to say whatever they please because they align with the politics of the staff.

Censoring one side of the argument claiming they don't allow "political topics" when they only determine something is "political" when they disagree is nothing but pure censorship so you can take your tangential arguments and try to gaslight somebody else more receptive to your sycophancy.

Cheers though.

 

[ApocalypseSurvivor]

Damm. Its over for Texans.

 

[SeveredRealms]

First off there is a way to turn off styles.

Secondly the censorship has nothing to do with legality on this site. This site ignores people claiming to break actual laws, but if they censor anything they deem as "political" because they CHOOSE to, that's pro-censorship. Trying to argue a tangential "point" that they're marketing a product is absurd and then trying to say they're doing it because of laws is doubly absurd.

Finally if they were really concern with the site being taken down they wouldn't allow members to openly claim to be breaking the laws. They may have paid for a Xenforo license, but the licensing agreement still applies. If the site is taken down it's going to be for stupid things like that not because somebody isn't agreeing with the "orange man bad" demographic rampant on the site that somehow gets to say whatever they please because they align with the politics of the staff.

Censoring one side of the argument claiming they don't allow "political topics" when they only determine something is "political" when they disagree is nothing but pure censorship so you can take your tangential arguments and try to gaslight somebody else more receptive to your sycophancy.

Cheers though.

Is there a problem here? I hope not because I would hate to delete this entire thread. We do not allow political shit cause it just starts shit in the threads. Call it censorship all you want we call it keeping the forums peaceful. Corning my moderators on something they are doing by following the rules we set make you look like the ass here not them. Another user is the one that reported this thread and I am the one that looked at the report. So unless you want the thread removed I suggest you know it off with bring in politics or going after my moderators. i am not as nice as my mods so feel free to push me and find out where you end up.

 

[Tripod70]

Damm. Its over for Texans.

It has been that way for over a year now... Really sucks they want your DL or passport for ID.....!!!

 

[Arachel]

Is there a problem here? I hope not because I would hate to delete this entire thread. We do not allow political shit cause it just starts shit in the threads. Call it censorship all you want we call it keeping the forums peaceful. Corning my moderators on something they are doing by following the rules we set make you look like the ass here not them. Another user is the one that reported this thread and I am the one that looked at the report. So unless you want the thread removed I suggest you know it off with bring in politics or going after my moderators. i am not as nice as my mods so feel free to push me and find out where you end up.

It's censorship when the moderators decide what is "political" based on their own political beliefs. Like I said "orange man bad" posts have been allowed to stand by the moderators, people claiming they're committing actual crimes that violate the licensing agreement of Xenforo, which you would have had to agree to license their software have been allowed to stand.

You're wrong about it making me look bad though. It may get me banned should you or one of your mods opt to go on an ego trip, but that'd just be vindication. Your members here like to point out how your rival is spartan with their moderatorship as if this site is any different when it's not. That's not "keeping the forums peaceful" that's censorship. Tearson mentioned you had an issue over NTR in games and yet that's still here. If it was about keeping the forums peaceful that would have been thrown out as well since it apparently causes "discourse".

Oh I know what will happen because I'm not one of the "cool kids" that can get away with doing whatever like the chosen few in the Lurker thread can, but this threatening members isn't an attempt to "keep the forums peaceful" it's ego. It's you saying you'll do whatever you please because you can which I'm guessing pointing that out will result in a ban, but you could always surprise me, guess we'll see. Regarding the thread though, I say remove it. I don't really have any desire to post on the forums and only did so because I quoted and thus received a notification and I find it "rude" to leave people on read so to speak or I wouldn't have bothered to respond. If you go through my recent history you'll see my disinterest in posting since my conversation with Tearson seeing as I reiterate I'm not one of the "cool kids" who can say whatever they please and I don't care to engage in the fluff posts of "memes" as I don't find them humorous. Removing the thread would honestly be doing me a favor if you don't just ban me for speaking the truth, it'd keep me from receiving notifications and thus I wouldn't have to feel bad about ignoring posts since none of my other posts are likely to be responded seeing as they're buried I wouldn't be posting anything, mayhaps updating my "status" at most.

 

[HuiEtyud]

My attitude is simply "keep it civil." So long as a fight isn't breaking out, I don't care what's being said. Discussion of political matters such as these KOSA/COSA are far more broad in nature, since they affect everybody, not just one political "side."

But if you're going to a non-politically charged post and suddenly start talking about illegal immigrants or some shit, then posts start getting deleted. If you start in with whataboutism, then posts start getting deleted. Ideally, the site should be about the games, and not about what's going on in the real world. After all, we're here to get away from all that doom and gloom, not be reminded of it. But it does break up the monotony a little. So long as it doesn't turn into a toxic cesspit, anyway, which is unfortunately inevitable.

I get enough politics on my YouTube feed. I would *prefer* to not have it where I go to escape from it.

 

[WhiteVanDaycare]

It's censorship when the moderators decide what is "political" based on their own political beliefs. Like I said "orange man bad" posts have been allowed to stand by the moderators, people claiming they're committing actual crimes that violate the licensing agreement of Xenforo, which you would have had to agree to license their software have been allowed to stand.

You're wrong about it making me look bad though. It may get me banned should you or one of your mods opt to go on an ego trip, but that'd just be vindication. Your members here like to point out how your rival is spartan with their moderatorship as if this site is any different when it's not. That's not "keeping the forums peaceful" that's censorship. Tearson mentioned you had an issue over NTR in games and yet that's still here. If it was about keeping the forums peaceful that would have been thrown out as well since it apparently causes "discourse".

Oh I know what will happen because I'm not one of the "cool kids" that can get away with doing whatever like the chosen few in the Lurker thread can, but this threatening members isn't an attempt to "keep the forums peaceful" it's ego. It's you saying you'll do whatever you please because you can which I'm guessing pointing that out will result in a ban, but you could always surprise me, guess we'll see. Regarding the thread though, I say remove it. I don't really have any desire to post on the forums and only did so because I quoted and thus received a notification and I find it "rude" to leave people on read so to speak or I wouldn't have bothered to respond. If you go through my recent history you'll see my disinterest in posting since my conversation with Tearson seeing as I reiterate I'm not one of the "cool kids" who can say whatever they please and I don't care to engage in the fluff posts of "memes" as I don't find them humorous. Removing the thread would honestly be doing me a favor if you don't just ban me for speaking the truth, it'd keep me from receiving notifications and thus I wouldn't have to feel bad about ignoring posts since none of my other posts are likely to be responded seeing as they're buried I wouldn't be posting anything, mayhaps updating my "status" at most.

You are welcome to report such posts (I would encourage this actually, mods can't be everywhere), but I am lost as to what that has to do with our Xenforo license (there's no causality there).

This is a far too common retort lately, let me say what I want or you are a <pick one - racist, fascist, censor, etc, etc>. The issue isn't NTR in games, it is the arguments over the NTR and harassment of devs over it that is a problem (and is banned outside dedicated threads). Again you are jumping from one far flung claim to the next with no causality between them.

If you have no desire to post, then don't. Lewd Corner is not a bastion of freedom of speech, we censor anything that we feel violates the rules (or laws where we are located). I'm tempted to ban you just to end your non-sense tirade, but you have offered to just enjoy the site and stop posting.

Now, if people want to resume discussion of the age verification laws here that is fine - but as a reminder politics is not allowed (ie blaming it on a politician who is not directly related to it).

 

[GettinOlder]

Yeah, needless to say, I didn't vote for that shit. Government overreach at its finest. Just sayin'.

 

[WigglyWorld84]

dude, op, fuck that typeface. talk about cencorship, how about a little self censorship and change that illegible shit. jesus. Comic Sans is better than that "spooky" shit.

I wish the mods would edit your posts just to change the type face

but yea, this whole deal sucks. sorry to my Miss brothers.

 

[Arachel]

You are welcome to report such posts (I would encourage this actually, mods can't be everywhere), but I am lost as to what that has to do with our Xenforo license (there's no causality there).

This is a far too common retort lately, let me say what I want or you are a <pick one - racist, fascist, censor, etc, etc>. The issue isn't NTR in games, it is the arguments over the NTR and harassment of devs over it that is a problem (and is banned outside dedicated threads). Again you are jumping from one far flung claim to the next with no causality between them.

If you have no desire to post, then don't. Lewd Corner is not a bastion of freedom of speech, we censor anything that we feel violates the rules (or laws where we are located). I'm tempted to ban you just to end your non-sense tirade, but you have offered to just enjoy the site and stop posting.

Now, if people want to resume discussion of the age verification laws here that is fine - but as a reminder politics is not allowed (ie blaming it on a politician who is not directly related to it).

Did report it, was rejected. Look up the Xenforo ToS, specifically says that you cannot allow content that promotes illegal content. This site is a grey area as is, but somebody claiming to literally have relations with their child IS illegal. The mods here will get upset if you say that Italians didn't invent pizza because it's "political", but they have no problem with such claims even though it violates the ToS of Xenforo, which was agreed to when licensing Xenforo. You lot had problems in the past right? Here's a radical idea don't allow content that can give legitimate cause to risking the license.

That's a strawman. First off that's far more common on the left than the right and the left tends to be more for censorship, the organizations that are pushing these sort of laws like Collective Shout are leftwing feminist organizations. Secondly I'm saying that this site allows things to be said if it aligns with the moderator's political ideology instead of enforcing the rules uniformly THAT's the problem. If the "orange man" or Elon bashing posts aren't removed which ARE poltical then the posts supporting them shouldn't be removed and deemed "poltical", that's not wanting poltics on the forum that's enforcing not wanting "wrong think" on the forum as determined by the leanings of the staff. You may as well change it to the more accurate "if the staff disagrees with you, it's banned" that's very little difference than the moderators on your competitor that you claim to be better than.

 

[Evil Surgeon]

dude, op, fuck that typeface. talk about cencorship, how about a little self censorship and change that illegible shit. jesus. Comic Sans is better than that "spooky" shit.

I wish the mods would edit your posts just to change the type face

but yea, this whole deal sucks. sorry to my Miss brothers.

You can ignore user styles, that'll make it better for your eyes.

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[WhiteVanDaycare]

Did report it, was rejected. Look up the Xenforo ToS, specifically says that you cannot allow content that promotes illegal content. This site is a grey area as is, but somebody claiming to literally have relations with their child IS illegal. The mods here will get upset if you say that Italians didn't invent pizza because it's "political", but they have no problem with such claims even though it violates the ToS of Xenforo, which was agreed to when licensing Xenforo. You lot had problems in the past right? Here's a radical idea don't allow content that can give legitimate cause to risking the license.

That's a strawman. First off that's far more common on the left than the right and the left tends to be more for censorship, the organizations that are pushing these sort of laws like Collective Shout are leftwing feminist organizations. Secondly I'm saying that this site allows things to be said if it aligns with the moderator's political ideology instead of enforcing the rules uniformly THAT's the problem. If the "orange man" or Elon bashing posts aren't removed which ARE poltical then the posts supporting them shouldn't be removed and deemed "poltical", that's not wanting poltics on the forum that's enforcing not wanting "wrong think" on the forum as determined by the leanings of the staff. You may as well change it to the more accurate "if the staff disagrees with you, it's banned" that's very little difference than the moderators on your competitor that you claim to be better than.

Again you are all over the place, so let me help you.

If reported and rejected, then that is all you can do. I checked reports by you and didn't find any that were appropriate.

If Xenforo doesn't allow promotion of illegal activity, then how does our alleged 'grey area' violate that? Answer is it doesn't. We have NEVER had a problem with Xenforo, just with hosts who are concerned about AI generated materials.

I doubt you know what a strawman argument is. You are again generalizing and not discussing your own subject. I will give you that this obviously is a hole you are incapable of digging yourself out of (you did promise to be an observer and stop with the rants). I will discuss with mods what the appropriate action is, personally I would just ban you if up to me (that is my suggestion to them).