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[Lightmonkey20]

Goodnight everyone see you tomorrow

 

[Bloodheart]

Goodnight everyone see you tomorrow

Spoiler: goodnight monkey

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[Monokuma]

I can't sleep... so, here I am...
Another day with very little sleep... It'll hit me when I should be working

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[sullys]

I'd say you have amazing powers of observation, but that would be a lie.

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we;[

Spoiler: goodnight monkey

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night night

 

[luciddream]

I can't sleep... so, here I am...
Another day with very little sleep... It'll hit me when I should be working

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Sorry to hear that Mono, hope you pass out sometime tonight.

 

[.Tor7]

I'll be happy to go back to the Pre-Reagan tax brackets of 70 % for the top 1% Saying they are paying more now than the poor is just playing with statistics The current income disparity between the Rich and poor is much greater now and continues to grow

First, my responses will be getting faster, I'm only 20 pages behind! lol

Second, my point was more that people complain about the system not being fair & the rich (undefined) should pay more, when in fact, many of the "poor" don't even pay anything at all. That is NOT a fair (equal) system. And it may be playing with statistics, but the fact that a small fraction of the population pays ~3/4 of the bill, how fair is that?

Also... HOLY CRAP!?!?! 70%!!! I had to go look that up. 1981, 70%, over $108k ($375k today) single filer. That.... shocks/amazes me. That's really interesting. I'll have to think about that for a while and research more.

As for the disparity, that has always been with us (humans.) What was the disparity between a pharaoh and a slave? Monarchs and their serfs? I would argue that the benefit of our current system (capitalism) has lifted more people out of poverty than ever before in history. And for most countries, even those in poverty are far better off than in previous centuries.

I have volunteered years of service in working for missions/shelters for homeless. I personally feel we need to take care of them and help them. I do not believe the government is the best solution for solving this issue and I would prefer for the government to be as small as possible and take as little of my money as possible.

You gave me something to think about with those previous tax brackets. Off to catch up on that last bit. I can do it!

 

[.Tor7]

Not much going on so here's a random tree sex post. Enjoy!

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You left one out! (Dammit. I have my wrong glasses on. Have to make the icons "large" to be able to tell which gif this is)

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[Bloodheart]

I can't sleep... so, here I am...
Another day with very little sleep... It'll hit me when I should be working

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Spoiler: ah yes insomnia is a rather brutal bitch, my suggestion is a nice heavy meal with some good root bear to try and trick your body into sleep

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[sullys]

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Sorry to hear that Mono, hope you pass out sometime tonight.

That's the sole reason I have any LC on here

 

[samandsteve]

Good night ya tossers!

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[Bloodheart]

Good night ya tossers!

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[Monokuma]

First, my responses will be getting faster, I'm only 20 pages behind! lol

Second, my point was more that people complain about the system not being fair & the rich (undefined) should pay more, when in fact, many of the "poor" don't even pay anything at all. That is NOT a fair (equal) system. And it may be playing with statistics, but the fact that a small fraction of the population pays ~3/4 of the bill, how fair is that?

Also... HOLY CRAP!?!?! 70%!!! I had to go look that up. 1981, 70%, over $108k ($375k today) single filer. That.... shocks/amazes me. That's really interesting. I'll have to think about that for a while and research more.

As for the disparity, that has always been with us (humans.) What was the disparity between a pharaoh and a slave? Monarchs and their serfs? I would argue that the benefit of our current system (capitalism) has lifted more people out of poverty than ever before in history. And for most countries, even those in poverty are far better off than in previous centuries.

I have volunteered years of service in working for missions/shelters for homeless. I personally feel we need to take care of them and help them. I do not believe the government is the best solution for solving this issue and I would prefer for the government to be as small as possible and take as little of my money as possible.

You gave me something to think about with those previous tax brackets. Off to catch up on that last bit. I can do it!

I think one of the pitfalls here is equating Equality with Equity - it's a pitfall many people make.
But "Equality" demands we're all paying our "equal" share of taxes, right? But, as you correctly point out, the "Rich" already do pay more than the improvished... However, whilst Equality looks good on paper, it rarely works in real world practice. Instead, we need equity.

You might have seen the below image before, but it does the best at explaining the difference... One is "Equal and Fair" whilst the other isn't equal in its means, but is equal in its outcome.

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How this relates to finance, is that many of the "Rich" can afford to be taxed more, whilst many of the poor can't and, as you say, many in fact don't get taxed at all. I personally can't imagine someone being against taxing the rich more - I know it's a popular position, but my head can't wrap around it - because when people throw around the phrase "Tax the rich" or we're talking people that can afford it. I doubt you fall into that bracket, unless you're Musk or Bezos in disguise. The "Rich" in most cases are the 1% - those who have enough wealth they couldn't spend it in this generation or the next. I'm sure the people of Lewd Corner range from the lowest bracket, to the medium bracket, but I'd go on a limb and say I doubt any of us enter the top bracket - I don't think we have celebrities hiding here, or millionaires hiding here, etc. Many of us can't even imagine what 1 Billion looks like, let alone how you would spend that.

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Ignore the "Trillion", but look at the Billion. Imagine just one of those stacks going to be distributed amongst the poor, or within a healthcare service, or with a wealthare service, or within a transportation service, etc. Now imagine that 1 Stack * x (where X is equal to the number of Billionaires in a given country). And suddenly you see just how much money could be reinvested into services that help raise others up. And it'll be argued that Billionaires do this by owning companies, providing jobs, but I think we just need to look at the landscape and see - that isn't working. If it was, we wouldn't have so many people unhomed, unclothed, and starving in supposedly "first world" countries.



As for Captalism, I'm about as Anti-Capitalist as they come, so I won't get into that debate because we'll clearly not agree (and I'm not here to argue that - different opinions are good) but, as a little extra food for thought, let me just posit to you... You mention the previous systems, right? Slaves and Sevitude, Early Fuedalism, etc. Didn't they all evolve into something else? There's a reason we left them behind, right? And each was better than what came before? Then why have we decided Capitalism is "it"?
The problem with Capitalism is that it was a great stepping stone for what we needed it for - as you say, it's served people well - but we've reached "Late Stage Capitalism" where it isn't benefiting anyone but the richest people. Those with Capital continue to gain Capital, and generational wealth is a huge problem. We're at the point where, in an ideal world, we'd role into the next system, just like the Pharoahs, just like Fuedalism, etc etc. But Wealth creates such a vast difference in power, that those who have the wealth can, and do, mainly control the system. So it isn't changing. The wealthy can buy news outlets or social media sites, the wealthy can dictate peoples healthcare, the wealthy can change laws, etc. They have power beyond human comprehension, because wealth and cronyisum are able to sway huge swathes of people.

Eeesh. Sorry. I didn't mean to go off tangent. I'm tired, I can't sleep, and this is a topic of personal interest to me.
Don't mean to jump on you and @uncbuck having a discussion either... Woops.

 

[sullys]

I'd say you have amazing powers of observation, but that would be a lie.

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Well now I just feel like an idiot. thanks.

 

[Monokuma]

Thank god someone posted, been sat on this draft for ages - didn't want to double post a heavy topic with a light one. Ahem.

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my suggestion is a nice heavy meal with some good root bear

"Root Bear"
I see what you did there!

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The comics are fucking ace by the way.

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Sorry to hear that Mono, hope you pass out sometime tonight.

Where did you get that footage?! Do you have a camera in my room, Lucy?

 

[sullys]

Good night ya tossers!

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Sasha Grey?

 

[zappering]

I think one of the pitfalls here is equating Equality with Equity - it's a pitfall many people make.
But "Equality" demands we're all paying our "equal" share of taxes, right? But, as you correctly point out, the "Rich" already do pay more than the improvished... However, whilst Equality looks good on paper, it rarely works in real world practice. Instead, we need equity.

You might have seen the below image before, but it does the best at explaining the difference... One is "Equal and Fair" whilst the other isn't equal in its means, but is equal in its outcome.

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How this relates to finance, is that many of the "Rich" can afford to be taxed more, whilst many of the poor can't and, as you say, many in fact don't get taxed at all. I personally can't imagine someone being against taxing the rich more - I know it's a popular position, but my head can't wrap around it - because when people throw around the phrase "Tax the rich" or we're talking people that can afford it. I doubt you fall into that bracket, unless you're Musk or Bezos in disguise. The "Rich" in most cases are the 1% - those who have enough wealth they couldn't spend it in this generation or the next. I'm sure the people of Lewd Corner range from the lowest bracket, to the medium bracket, but I'd go on a limb and say I doubt any of us enter the top bracket - I don't think we have celebrities hiding here, or millionaires hiding here, etc. Many of us can't even imagine what 1 Billion looks like, let alone how you would spend that.

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Ignore the "Trillion", but look at the Billion. Imagine just one of those stacks going to be distributed amongst the poor, or within a healthcare service, or with a wealthare service, or within a transportation service, etc. Now imagine that 1 Stack * x (where X is equal to the number of Billionaires in a given country). And suddenly you see just how much money could be reinvested into services that help raise others up. And it'll be argued that Billionaires do this by owning companies, providing jobs, but I think we just need to look at the landscape and see - that isn't working. If it was, we wouldn't have so many people unhomed, unclothed, and starving in supposedly "first world" countries.



As for Captalism, I'm about as Anti-Capitalist as they come, so I won't get into that debate because we'll clearly not agree (and I'm not here to argue that - different opinions are good) but, as a little extra food for thought, let me just posit to you... You mention the previous systems, right? Slaves and Sevitude, Early Fuedalism, etc. Didn't they all evolve into something else? There's a reason we left them behind, right? And each was better than what came before? Then why have we decided Capitalism is "it"?
The problem with Capitalism is that it was a great stepping stone for what we needed it for - as you say, it's served people well - but we've reached "Late Stage Capitalism" where it isn't benefiting anyone but the richest people. Those with Capital continue to gain Capital, and generational wealth is a huge problem. We're at the point where, in an ideal world, we'd role into the next system, just like the Pharoahs, just like Fuedalism, etc etc. But Wealth creates such a vast difference in power, that those who have the wealth can, and do, mainly control the system. So it isn't changing. The wealthy can buy news outlets or social media sites, the wealthy can dictate peoples healthcare, the wealthy can change laws, etc. They have power beyond human comprehension, because wealth and cronyisum are able to sway huge swathes of people.

Eeesh. Sorry. I didn't mean to go off tangent. I'm tired, I can't sleep, and this is a topic of personal interest to me.
Don't mean to jump on you and @uncbuck having a discussion either... Woops.

I really agree with capitalism having been a good stepping stone and now needing something else. In the next system, growth should be prioritized below population happiness and sustainability.

 

[Monokuma]

Sasha Grey?

Nah, that's Forrie J. Smith.
In his role in Yellowstone.
Never watched it myself.

 

[luciddream]

Where did you get that footage?! Do you have a camera in my room, Lucy?

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I would, but then you would get angry.

 

[sullys]

Nah, that's Forrie J. Smith.
In his role in Yellowstone.
Never watched it myself.

But for real, I need to know what to look up to jack to in order to fall asleep. And as much as you'd like to think I'd do that to Forrie J Smith, I'd rather do it to that chick.

 

[Tosser]

Good night ya tossers!

Now wait a fucking minute!

I'm the only Tosser here! The rest of these guys are simply wankers.