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[User_48178]

Is it? The devs have been making the "historical accuracy" argument every single time, and every single time it's a lie.
Everything you say's been true in every one of the AC games. Historical events that didn't happen, use of clothing and armor that's in the wrong period, etc. etc.

I think we can thoroughly agree that the game will suck, but that's because it's the same AC clone they've done a million times over. And it's done by Ubisoft.
I don't think a black character in japan called Yasuke who is portayed as Samurai instead of being a Retainer is the thing that made or broke the game.

I don't disagree. Historical fiction is both historical and fictional. AC has been more of the latter since its start, and the lazy writing of a series that pumps out sequels regularly has been a much bigger issue in the franchise. I just don't accept the premise that people only complain about Yasuke because they're racist. Even if you take issue with him being the protagonist because he's black there's reasons other than racism for that position. Dismissing those issues, especially in the post "Gamers are dead" political climate, just puts you on the same level as game journalists.

 

[kuraiken]

Very strange. It's almost like making a 6'2" black man the man character in feudal Japan is a more apparent misrepresentation with more obvious political motives than aging up a 17 year old in your game aimed at adults. You'd think maybe the discourse around games has changed since 2009 too. I wonder if something happened, maybe around 2014, that would influence discourse and how games are perceived when these issues come up.

So the problem's not the historical inaccuracy now, it's that it's a black guy in japan. Why can't there be a game that features him instead of the thousands of games that feature japanese characters? Why do you need to put everything into the framework of some big large conspiracy where a machiavellian villian is trying to force you to play a black guy?

And what does "main character in feudal Japan" mean? Can't you have literally anyone be the main character in a game? Why's that so important? What are you losing out on?

And you kinda skipped the part where she wasn't just aged, but completely differently portrayed than she - based on historical evidence - was.

I don't disagree. Historical fiction is both historical and fictional. AC has been more of the latter since its start, and the lazy writing of a series that pumps out sequels regularly has been a much bigger issue in the franchise. I just don't accept the premise that people only complain about Yasuke because they're racist. Even if you take issue with him being the protagonist because he's black there's reasons other than racism for that position. Dismissing those issues, especially in the post "Gamers are dead" political climate, just puts you on the same level as game journalists.

Then why's everyone leading with "black Samurai when he should've just been a retainer" instead of focusing on any of the bigger issues the game actually has? Like bing from Ubisoft. Being a microtransaction game. etc.?
If the samurai instead of retainer thing isn't a problem at all, and it's not historical accuracy that's the problem, then what is the problem?

 

[Archer]

Oh the treasures you have missed.

There aren't many here now that can eat a bacon sandwich without getting an erection.

That is one of the best sentences I have ever read.

 

[User_48178]

So the problem's not the historical inaccuracy now, it's that it's a black guy in japan. Why can't there be a game that features him instead of the thousands of games that feature japanese characters? Why do you need to put everything into the framework of some big large conspiracy where a machiavellian villian is trying to force you to play a black guy?

And what does "main character in feudal Japan" mean? Can't you have literally anyone be the main character in a game? Why's that so important? What are you losing out on?

And you kinda skipped the part where she wasn't just aged, but completely differently portrayed than she - based on historical evidence - was.


Then why's everyone leading with "black Samurai when he should've just been a retainer" instead of focusing on any of the bigger issues the game actually has? Like bing from Ubisoft. Being a microtransaction game. etc.?
If the samurai instead of retainer thing isn't a problem at all, and it's not historical accuracy that's the problem, then what is the problem?

You have to be trolling at this point. There's no way you read everything I wrote and that's the conclusion you came to.

 

[kuraiken]

You have to be trolling at this point. There's no way you read everything I wrote and that's the conclusion you came to.

I think I asked a couple reasonable questions? Where's the problem?

 

[whoisit]

Yeah, because they don't really care, there are three kind of people whining at AC Shadows right now, the standard guys that always find a fault with everything before it is even out, so thats normal, then the Japanese that are annoyed that the game in Japan doesn't use a japanese MC, which is fine, though overblown, because there is the japanese Girl right? And the loudest, Racists and misogynists that scream about historical accuracy, but in reality just don't like that the main characters are a black guy and a woman...


Yeah well... the writing is one thing (tho, not native english, so, mhmmm), but I am totally suck with anything that would be related to the art/3d-stuff xDDD

I'm a standard guy, basically played every AC till AC: Mirage when they changed the combat and stealth for the worst. I had hopes for AC: Shadows going back from the RPG-esque system and God of War style of combat. Only to have Ubislob digging out the only black person in Japan around this time period not for as interesting historical figure but diversity brownie points (blatantly using stolen joke). " Oh if don't like the guy play the woman" or "Oh if you don't like the game play Ghost of Tsushima" are suggestion I despise. Is it so hard to comprehend that I want a Japanese Assassin's Creed with the choice of a Japanese male and female, like 80% of all the people who waited for this game to happened. Yeah but people racist is easier, you know the people who also love other AC titles with diverse characters.

Google Assassins Creed historical inaccuraries.
You'll find they made shit up in every iteration. Caterina Sforza in AC2 was portrayed much older, when she should've been only 17. She's portrayed as benevolent, when historically she was just as ruthless as the Borgia or Medici families.
Why did no one complain about that? Or any of the hundreds of other historical circumstances and misrepresentations?

You can find countless inaccuracies but no one raised a stink about any of them. Strange.

Because those historic inaccuracies are not advertised as historical facts. The whole premise Ubislob build upon was the fanfic of one "historian". The whole argument about AC and historical accuracy is stupid in a game with aliens or mind controlling pope but who has thrown the first stone.

 

[User_83869]

So the problem's not the historical inaccuracy now, it's that it's a black guy in japan. Why can't there be a game that features him instead of the thousands of games that feature japanese characters? Why do you need to put everything into the framework of some big large conspiracy where a machiavellian villian is trying to force you to play a black guy?

And what does "main character in feudal Japan" mean? Can't you have literally anyone be the main character in a game? Why's that so important? What are you losing out on?

And you kinda skipped the part where she wasn't just aged, but completely differently portrayed than she - based on historical evidence - was.

It's obviously dumb that they made the most recognizable character in the entire country the secret assassin. It's okay to acknowledge that fact is dumb. It doesn't make anybody racist. It's also dumb that they made Cleopatra black and there are legions of people who actually don't know anything about history whatsoever claiming that it's true and that anyone who disagrees is racist. It's also dumb that they made Achilles black, because obviously that character wouldn't have been black, even if he's not historical. Making Catherine the Great black was also really stupid. Changing historical Norse Jarl Haakon into a black woman was egregiously stupid. All of those statements are true and none of it has to do with being racist.

 

[Anon1990]

It's obviously dumb that they made the most recognizable character in the entire country the secret assassin. It's okay to acknowledge that fact is dumb. It doesn't make anybody racist. It's also dumb that they made Cleopatra black and there are legions of people who actually don't know anything about history whatsoever claiming that it's true and that anyone who disagrees is racist. It's also dumb that they made Achilles black, because obviously that character wouldn't have been black, even if he's not historical. Making Catherine the Great black was also really stupid. Taking historical Norse Jarl Haakon into a black woman was egregiously stupid. All of those statements are true and none of it has to do with being racist.

I fully agree. I wonder every time that so many people say it´is obviously stupid to "black wash" everything and producer still keep it on.

 

[User_83869]

I fully agree. I wonder every time that so many people say it´is obviously stupid to "black wash" everything and producer still keep it on.

And they claim they want to tell stories about people of color, which is condescending and untrue because they're ignoring actual stories they could tell about people of color, and instead telling a European persons story and just blackwashing it.

 

[kuraiken]

Because those historic inaccuracies are not advertised as historical facts. The whole premise Ubislob build upon was the fanfic of one "historian". The whole argument about AC and historical accuracy is stupid in a game with aliens or mind controlling pope but who has thrown the first stone.

The historical fact you take offense to, him being portrayed as Samurai instead of Retainer?

It's obviously dumb that they made the most recognizable character in the entire country the secret assassin. It's okay to acknowledge that fact is dumb. It doesn't make anybody racist. It's also dumb that they made Cleopatra black and there are legions of people who actually don't know anything about history whatsoever claiming that it's true and that anyone who disagrees is racist. It's also dumb that they made Achilles black, because obviously that character wouldn't have been black, even if he's not historical. Making Catherine the Great black was also really stupid. Changing historical Norse Jarl Haakon into a black woman was egregiously stupid. All of those statements are true and none of it has to do with being racist.

Well haven't they always done that? Ezio Auditore da Firenze was a nobleman?

And why are you suddenly talking about dozens of other things?

 

[User_83869]

The historical fact you take offense to, him being portrayed as Samurai instead of Retainer?


Well haven't they always done that? Ezio Auditore da Firenze was a nobleman?

And why are you suddenly talking about dozens of other things?

Because you started to talk as if noticing the agenda was machiavellian conspiracy when it's plain to see and obvious.

 

[Anon1990]

And they claim they want to tell stories about people of color, which is condescending and untrue because they're ignoring actual stories they could tell about people of color, and instead telling a European persons story and just blackwashing it.

Exactly, there are dozens of good stories for people of color, but it seems it´is more profitable (or they think it is) to rewrite story and change color to grab some easy cash for childhood memories.

 

[kuraiken]

Because you started to talk as if noticing the agenda was machiavellian conspiracy when it's plain to see and obvious.

Sorry, that's getting into the conspiracy theory mudfield of the right-wing media. And I'm not interested in debating right-wing media talking points in a forum that's about lewd stuff.
I also don't think the direction this discussion is going is productive, and it undermines what this thread's about.

I suggest we peacefully agree to end the conversation here and focus on...

The Lewd.

 

[User_83869]

But I'm not gonna argue about this all day. Just added my 2 cents. This forum isn't the place for this discussion in my opinion.

 

[User_83869]

Sorry, that's getting into the conspiracy theory mudfield of the right-wing media. And I'm not interested in debating right-wing media talking points in a forum that's about lewd stuff.
I also don't think the direction this discussion is going is productive, and it undermines what this thread's about.

I suggest we peacefully agree to end the conversation here and focus on...

The Lewd.

I'm nowhere near a right winger, but go off lol.

 

[scdev]

Do you like the non pointy border?

I like the border being used right now.

 

[Archer]

Sorry, that's getting into the conspiracy theory mudfield of the right-wing media. And I'm not interested in debating right-wing media talking points in a forum that's about lewd stuff.
I also don't think the direction this discussion is going is productive, and it undermines what this thread's about.

I suggest we peacefully agree to end the conversation here and focus on...

The Lewd.

So an interracial game set in feudal era Japan?

 

[kuraiken]

So an interracial game set in feudal era Japan?

Doesn't sengoku rance feature japanese and chinese and european characters?
And you can bang 'em all.

 

[whoisit]

The historical fact you take offense to, him being portrayed as Samurai instead of Retainer?

I don't take offence him in the game being a samurai but calling it a historical fact goes to far. If they would at least acknowledge that there is little evidence how he lived and reinforced that they made their own fictional version of him. So much trouble could be avoided

 

[TheDude14]

Until then feel free to be inspired by your kitten and do naughty Silwith pictures... that reminds me... what about a Silwith getting raped by Goblin Futas... now the idead are coming xPPP

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