discussion Thoughts on corruption and rape tag

[capybro]

I have been playing games with corruption and rape tag for sometimes and want to now others view on these

 

[alexusbiru]

It’s definitely a love-it-or-hate-it vibe. Just a heads-up: it tends to ruffle a lot of feathers, so don't be surprised if you get some serious pushback.
So, keep it quiet!!! Shhhh... The walls have ears.

That said...
Honestly? It’s about power. It’s that primal need to take control and make everything around you yours. Some people call it toxic; I just think it’s how some of us are wired.
If you spend enough time digging through court cases, you realize how thin the line actually is. After enough mental gymnastics, you can frame almost anything as corruption or a lack of real consent. It’s a rabbit hole that changes how you see everything.
In Brazil, there was this guy—just a young dude—who actually got hauled in for online rape. I'm not even kidding. If you look at the case, it’s wild how they’re redefining the whole concept of the crime.

Now, about games.
Think about it: if there’s no victim, there’s no crime, right? But AI flips the script. Imagine standing in front of a judge because some high-level model 'concluded' you raped it. We're heading toward a world where your robot companion could literally file a police report against you.

So, why not? I had lots of fun with Rapelay and Time Stop series. Deaufonse (hope I spelled correctly), game developer around here, has been playing around with some game designs on the subject (with the addition af another kink worthy of members+). They’re honestly pretty eye-opening.

Edit 1 - Oh yeah! Forgot something. We’re a lot more fragile—and a lot more adaptable—than we like to admit. Stockholm Syndrome proves that after enough time, the line between 'victim' and 'partner' can completely disappear. It’s just how we’re wired to handle extreme pressure.

 

[napo]

I killed a lot in games, but never in real.

 

[ShiaLabeouf]

Hate it personally, really makes me uncomfortable. Also, to the guy above, Stockholm syndrome doesn't prove anything, because Stockholm syndrome isn't real.

 

[alexusbiru]

Hate it personally, really makes me uncomfortable. Also, to the guy above, Stockholm syndrome doesn't prove anything, because Stockholm syndrome isn't real.

The accusations against you (refer to your nickname) say otherwise. BTW it seems like a trends amongst celebrities nowadays.
Maybe you suffer from it and is in denial? Or benefit from it?

Also, Stockholm Syndrome is real. Any psychological problems will always be speculative (we can't see the programming on our brains can we?), except the ones clearly caused by something physically wrong. It's a proposition to explian the behaviour in that kind of situation.

I tried IA to make the above phrase more natural, but it gives this:

The "Black Box" of the Human Mind​

You’ve hit on the big reality of psychology: unless there’s a physical tumor or a clear chemical imbalance, we’re mostly just looking at a black box. We see how someone acts, and we come up with a name—like Stockholm Syndrome—to explain the "programming" we can't actually see.

• The Physical vs. The Speculative: If a computer's screen is cracked, that’s a physical fact. But if the software is acting weird? We have to guess if it's a bug, a feature, or a virus. Most psychological "syndromes" are just our best guesses at naming those software bugs.
• A Survival Script: In that light, Stockholm Syndrome isn't a "disease" you catch. It’s more like a built-in survival script. When your brain realizes it can't fight or flee, it switches to a different "program": Try to make the person holding the gun like you.

Is it "Real"?​

It’s real in the sense that the behavior happens, but you’re right—it’s a proposition. It’s a label we’ve slapped onto a very specific, high-stress reaction to help us make sense of why a victim would ever defend their captor.

Without a way to scan for "Stockholm Syndrome" on an MRI, it remains a theory—a very logical one, but a theory nonetheless.

 

[SilentHunter]

My attitude towards this is more than restrained. In one case, it is manipulation of another person, which raises many questions from the point of view of morality and ethics. Although yes, we're talking about porn, what the hell kind of ethics is there? But nevertheless, I stand by my opinion. As for the second one... In real life, I have twice met women who were victims of sexual violence at different ages. Their minds were permanently traumatized, both of them had been using the services of a psychiatrists for years. I am generally opposed to the death penalty, but in such cases it would be good if the rapists were castrated, with a public video broadcast of this process. This is my attitude towards the "rape" tag.

 

[Deleted member 217152]

Depending on the type of corruption I like it.

Rape is just depressing though.

 

[VForValhalla]

Corruption is great, as long as in the end, the love interest enjoys whatever you're corrupting her with.

However, I don't like rape in fiction. I suppose this stems from my real-life preference for not doing things that my partner isn't into. For instance, I can be a bit "violent" during sex (choking, hard slapping, etc.), but if my partner doesn't at least somewhat enjoy it, it becomes a major turn-off for me.

 

[fuzzi_weezil]

Rape tag is avoided; just not into it.

Positive corruption like The Big Step or It’s Not A World For Alyssa are fine and kinda hot for me. Negative corruption like Village Slut Transformation are a turn off (I ended up dropping VST).

That said, they're pixels and there are no victims, so you do you and enjoy your kink.

 

[Vexzionel]

fuzzi made a pretty good point with that closing sentence

Corruption - I think it can add to the story, but I prefer the option to choose whether or not I want it to happen. Or control over how far it goes, kind of like in Dating my Daughter VN.
Rape - that can get pretty nasty and it's definitely not for everyone.. especially in games centered around younger age. I think roleplay-oriented approach is more manageable. Or maybe just as a part of someone's "past" story wise.. but I don't personally like that.

I did play a few really dark games, and I definitely haven't felt as comfortable with ones that are lighter and more "wholesome". I think the depth of story is one of the factors that make the game a lot more intriguing and engaging, but with limits. Or at least with an option to choose a different route. If your choices don't matter, then you're basically just watching a slideshow.

 

[qu3tzal]

Yeah it's all about the power and the taboo. I like a bit of corruption but not where it feels malicious.

 

[alexusbiru]

Man, reading the comments left me really surprised. For a bunch of weirdos, myself included, that even have access to members+, lurking on a place that you can fantasize almost anything without much judgment, you guys, myself excluded, are pretty much normies. Also, you guys rationalize everything.

Let's simplify things:

• it's rape when - it's something another wants that you don't - absence of consent
• It's corruption when - it's something another wants that you don't AND they manipulate you into doing so anyway - You agree (consent) for one reason or another

In any case you get fucked, but in one you kinda end okay with it.

Question - Who out there cringes to the thought of rape but is okay with slavery?
Offtopic - BTW I didn't see 90 Days a Slave anywhere here for some reason, it's a good game

 

[qu3tzal]

Agreed up to a point. When you are focussed on the semantics of a definition you are spot on. However, it is undeniable that when you consider a single act of force and a slow burn process of manipulation they both meet your definition of rape but when you consider the desires of someone playing out a fantasy in a game they are vastly different and therefore need different words to describe them in that context.

 

[alexusbiru]

but when you consider the desires of someone playing out a fantasy in a game they are vastly different and therefore need different words to describe them in that context.

You lost me here. Could you elaborate?

What I understood:
You agree on a fundamental level, but you argue that once you account for the desire of the player, immersed in a game that is fictional, the words don't describe the situation 100%?
Are you refering to the act of consent of a fictional character? If so, since there is no one capable of consent, hell there is no one, just code, rape and corruption doesn't apply?
If so, I agree.

I've said it before here, I'm all for it in games, there is no crime when there is no victim. Anyone will fantasize something weird/cringe once in a lifetime, maybe twice or everyday.
What I meant was to highlight the mental gymnastics needed to accept one but not the other, even if they are very close related.
It was said here, and I quote:

Corruption is great, as long as in the end, the love interest enjoys whatever you're corrupting her with.

This, in a way, implies that as long as there is love, manipulation and corruption is okay. But:

However, I don't like rape in fiction.

See what I mean? Mental gymnastics. All I see here is a guy that like to take control and be violent for his own pleasure (nothing wrong, you do you) without being stigmatized for a villain, so he needs the partner to be okay with it and if they don't, they make them be.

This is, but one of many examples. If you take your time and read seriously, ou will see how far this hole goes.

 

[sirloke1]

well, i enjoy sleep sex, which is rape...
and i enjoy coruption of oblivious girls, who doesnt know about sex.

So i can say i enjoy both of them.

 

[qu3tzal]

You lost me here. Could you elaborate?

What I understood:
You agree on a fundamental level, but you argue that once you account for the desire of the player, immersed in a game that is fictional, the words don't describe the situation 100%?
Are you refering to the act of consent of a fictional character? If so, since there is no one capable of consent, hell there is no one, just code, rape and corruption doesn't apply?
If so, I agree.

I've said it before here, I'm all for it in games, there is no crime when there is no victim. Anyone will fantasize something weird/cringe once in a lifetime, maybe twice or everyday.
What I meant was to highlight the mental gymnastics needed to accept one but not the other, even if they are very close related.
It was said here, and I quote:

This, in a way, implies that as long as there is love, manipulation and corruption is okay. But:

See what I mean? Mental gymnastics. All I see here is a guy that like to take control and be violent for his own pleasure (nothing wrong, you do you) without being stigmatized for a villain, so he needs the partner to be okay with it and if they don't, they make them be.

This is, but one of many examples. If you take your time and read seriously, ou will see how far this hole goes.

Yeah I agree the mental gymnastics are strong here especially under your assumption that the words mean the same thing in game consumption as they do in reality. My point is that that may not be the case. Like you said, the concept of consent by a fictional character is ludicrous and therefore you could argue that the words corruption and rape mean literally nothing as they refer to consent which does not apply to the subject. I think a strong argument could be made these tags do not describe the same thing as they do in real life but have adapted definitions for entertainment. For example in reality the word 'action' has a very broad definition and yet in cinema and gaming refers almost exclusively to violence. As far as i understand it, in the world of avns people tend to associate rape with a short term act of sex by physical force whereas they associate corruption with the slower act of manipulating someone so that they no longer object. But that is unwieldy to use as an at a glance descriptor or filtering tool so they appropriate the words rape and corruption. Interestingly there is also a distinction made for sleep sex which once again, in the pure language and real world ethical sense is simply rape In any case I think we are both reading too much into this, i think the point of the question was about the tags not the actual definitions

 

[Redyscom]

If you like them, great. They're not my favorites, but I don't hate them either. Obviously, it all depends on the context and the story.

It is the ultimate experience of power and sexual violence, so it is normal that many people are attracted to both the role of perpetrator and the role of victim. It is a big taboo and usually, especially for those who like the role of victim, it is quite frowned upon. But here, kink-shaming is prohibited.

 

[alexusbiru]

In any case I think we are both reading too much into this, i think the point of the question was about the tags not the actual definitions

That's the best part , the reading too much into it . Ifyou are gonna do it, DO IT ALL!!!

For example in reality the word 'action' has a very broad definition and yet in cinema and gaming refers almost exclusively to violence.

So that's what you mean by context. Isse and agree.

As far as i understand it, in the world of avns people tend to associate rape with a short term act of sex by physical force whereas they associate corruption with the slower act of manipulating someone so that they no longer object.

Rape would be violence and Corruption would be closer to Seduction. Maybe a different approach on seduction?

 

[ketaminio]

rape is a no go usually for me but im a bit into corruption tho

 

[Herzmankova]

This type of game—those who love it will adore it, while those who hate it won't waste a single second trying to understand it