discussion The Moral Degeneracy of NSFW Creators Gooner-Baiting in SFW Social Media sites

[HuiEtyud]

The absolutely pitiful price platforms place on my eyeballs is appalling.

I have a browser extension for Facebook called "SocialFixer" that lets me edit every aspect of the site. Promoted posts? GTFO. Modules I don't use? Sayonara. On my desktop, I have it set up to literally only show me my friends' posts.

But who uses Facebook anymore for that to be relevant in 2025? Lol. I refuse to use Instagram, and I only use Twitter when I feel froggy and want to pick on some of my favorite YouTubers. Lmfao. Otherwise, I'm here, on YouTube, or playing one of my emulators. And now that I'm a full-time mod, I'm going to have to expand my "here" time slot. XD

 

[yukiea]

I was giving scenarios by (vaguely) in my head most to least reasonable (and possible) to block. The porn actress is an interesting one to think about actually as there's all sorts of stuff that could be allowed or forbidden. "Just filmed a scene", probably ok. "I just filmed a scene with Brazzers", not? I mean, it's a fact. You could figure it out by googling them, going to iafdb, whatever. "Check out these hot shots of my latest scene you can get if you go to brazzers.com/slutty-mc-slutface", certainly not.

What else is a clear harm to society? Fast food. Global warming (eventually). AI. Megacorporations. Fascism. Forcing you to identify yourself to use basically everything on the internet. (In no particular order)

To me gooner baiting on social media seems pretty low on the priority list, as long as it's reasonably opt-in. You wanna look a sluts dancing sexy on tik tok? It's all gooner bait. Get over it. If you don't want to see it block the creator and move on. It's what I do, except on my goon accounts.

Adding friction is the key here, friction is important since as social media sites and all of the internet become more and more friction less, you get gooner bait mixed up with SFW materials. Suggestive material with SFW materials.

You're again mixing up 2 separate problems and using it to dismiss real discussion, one has a distinct solution but has pros/cons and the others are systemic issues where it seems there seems to be no way out. We're in LC, where my off topic discussion on goon baiting is somewhat relevant. What are you trying to propose here?

I dont have an issue with Gooning, and I am a gooner too if you just use the basic meaning of it. Telling people to block also doesnt solve the underlying issue.

 

[mercury.games]

Adding friction is the key here, friction is important since as social media sites and all of the internet become more and more friction less, you get gooner bait mixed up with SFW materials. Suggestive material with SFW materials.

You're again mixing up 2 separate problems and using it to dismiss real discussion, one has a distinct solution but has pros/cons and the others are systemic issues where it seems there seems to be no way out. We're in LC, where my off topic discussion on goon baiting is somewhat relevant. What are you trying to propose here?

I dont have an issue with Gooning, and I am a gooner too if you just use the basic meaning of it. Telling people to block also doesnt solve the underlying issue.

IDK, it seems you're also inherently mixing 2 problems. Suggestive Material != Gooner Bait (at least not necessarily). I don't see any reasonable way to separate anything but the most obvious Gooner Bait from the pile of Suggestive Material. Given that, I don't see a way to ban Gooner Bait even if I were convinced that it is a significant source of what ails our society.

Social media sites are only incentivized to get eyes on their platform, so unless the bait is so good you actually leave take it and leave the site to goon to some OF model, then they would never take action ban them if it drew eyeballs. That's what The Algorithm optimizes for.

I also have no interest in letting The Algorithm decide more than like 10% of the media/posts/whatever I consume (to then be able to choose to see more from that person, topic, whatever). If I run out of YT vids, twitter posts, etc. then too bad. Infinite algorithmic scrolling is a bigger contributor to our moral degeneracy than OF models. Zero "friction" there to mindlessly consume whatever (and a huge helping of literal ads), not just gooner bait.

IDK, maybe I am missing the point.
Do I want to see gooner bait? Only when I choose to and just the sexy ladies without the advertising bits. (But also what's the point if I could just watch porn, play a game from here, etc.)
Do I want to see a ban? No, for all of the reasons I have stated.

I'll shut up now as I feel I am beating a dead horse, especially if I am missing your point.

 

[blacblacblac]

Now, it is probably bait in itself to put the word moral in this site, but one of the threads I want to post this stopped allowing responses, so I'm making one. I made a poll, but humbly request my acquaintances who want to respond read this before replying/answering in the poll. Moral here has no judgemental meeting, but is useful in context to the impact that the statement is making.
Freedom is important, anonymity due to the potential infringement of our freedom is more important. So, I hold no stance as to if any larger body or social media sites should ban consenting adults from doing things in their own time or post them on the internet. What I have an issue with is OF models going on social media sites like Tik*ok (which curates what you see) and Inst**ram, which is 100% gooner bait and pushing their users with barely SFW or downright NSFW content so that they'll spend on OF. This is apparently quite prevalent, and effective.
What would be the optimal condition? I don't know, I don't want to just ban things I dont like, seeing as well theres no measurable and quantitative impact to society (though it seems to be overall negative). However, I would prefer if NSFW is segregated more from SFW sites but both are equally and easily accessible. Rules could be in place where NSFW creators can't mention NSFW paid subs on their SFW sites.
Want to know what you all think.

And more power to them. What are they supposed to do, wait 10 miles away from you with a hot milf sign. The world wants adult media destroyed and will make it impossible for all content creators in these spaces to make a living. So if they want to game the system and make a living then sure.

 

[EnragedHam]

I never really think about these things on wether they are morally right or wrong, it usually comes down to what makes the most sense. Whatever your thoughts are on the state of social media are yours to bear. However, I think that shit should stay off of everyday social media. I. have zero issue with OF or the girls on it. I have a whole other beef with the site, but that is a whole other argument. A comparison I like to make is sex in movies. Most of the time in movies, you will see the most pointless sex scenes in them that are completely useless and don't add anything, if I want to watch people having sex, Ill play a VN or watch porn. When Im watching a movie, I want to see the movie, not a pg-13 sex scene. Similarly, if I am on the gram or any other social site, I want to see posts of people I know, memes, and other random shit, not thirst traps and woman trying to sell their bodies. If I wanted that, Id already be on the website that offers those services.

 

[yukiea]

IDK, it seems you're also inherently mixing 2 problems. Suggestive Material != Gooner Bait (at least not necessarily). I don't see any reasonable way to separate anything but the most obvious Gooner Bait from the pile of Suggestive Material. Given that, I don't see a way to ban Gooner Bait even if I were convinced that it is a significant source of what ails our society.

Social media sites are only incentivized to get eyes on their platform, so unless the bait is so good you actually leave take it and leave the site to goon to some OF model, then they would never take action ban them if it drew eyeballs. That's what The Algorithm optimizes for.

I also have no interest in letting The Algorithm decide more than like 10% of the media/posts/whatever I consume (to then be able to choose to see more from that person, topic, whatever). If I run out of YT vids, twitter posts, etc. then too bad. Infinite algorithmic scrolling is a bigger contributor to our moral degeneracy than OF models. Zero "friction" there to mindlessly consume whatever (and a huge helping of literal ads), not just gooner bait.

IDK, maybe I am missing the point.
Do I want to see gooner bait? Only when I choose to and just the sexy ladies without the advertising bits. (But also what's the point if I could just watch porn, play a game from here, etc.)
Do I want to see a ban? No, for all of the reasons I have stated.

I'll shut up now as I feel I am beating a dead horse, especially if I am missing your point.

Suggestive materials is fine when I enable it. Gooner bait is specific, it's when the whole point of that suggestive material is to guide them away from the social media site to get you to form a parasocial relationship with them. Now is this inherently different from gooner patreon, my gut says yes, but my wallet might say no. So there's no real answer here.

Am also not suggesting to use the algorithm to curate and downplay gooner bait. I'm proposing a complete ban. Though some users might say it should just be SFW, NSFW can belong in social media, but gooner bait is like a cancer.

I don't want to see it, but the issue is with gooner bait, it seems to be fed to you (if you're a specific target demographic), which is quite unhealthy.

 

[yukiea]

And more power to them. What are they supposed to do, wait 10 miles away from you with a hot milf sign. The world wants adult media destroyed and will make it impossible for all content creators in these spaces to make a living. So if they want to game the system and make a living then sure.

haha, now that's an opinion

 

[exerp]

I am for user choice about what they want to see on sites like social media sites .. if they are old enough.

Do not stop people from posting and sharing what they want .. but let people who do not want to see it not have to see it.

On the social media sites .. any "adult" content needs proper labeling with penalties for people who post adult content without proper labeling.

It could be similar to how on a site like LC we should be able to block certain tags we do not want to see.

 

[cosicosi89]

Sounds like you're navigating a complex issue with nuance. You're not advocating for censorship, but rather highlighting the potential issues with how some platforms might be handling certain content, especially when it comes to algorithms and monetization. The distinction between freedom of expression and the business practices of specific platforms is a valid point of discussion. How do you think platforms should balance these aspects?

 

[trc450]

I would say moral issue for sure considering most if not just about all "all age traffic" runs through the big social medias.

Issue is how limit access for those underage/vulnerable without attacking everyone's privacy / anonymity. Platforms are like drug dealers though, I doubt they would be happy with that, especially now that they got generations of junkies under belt.

 

[tom45]

I say no ban. A lot of people camming and working at OF actually need their income for living. Their advertising on SFW and SOME sites is okay with me.