discussion Abandoned VN Ren'Py DAZ SUCH A SHARP PAIN [V0.11.7R] [KETZAL]

[yoyomistro]

That's unavoidable and part of the plot. Only bad path/ending irrc is the "cops" path when the MC is arrested (never played it,have to be a mean asshole to everyone to get on that path, presumably someone has enough of you and has you arrested).

I just modded the game to get that path. I did the same for the Macy and Alice paths before they got their buttons in the main menu.

 

[lewdito]

They are not even teens. They are in college like most every other AVN since it's a face project so is as vanilla as possible. Only non-vanilla about it is incest (which is also kinda vanilla to me). That one has planned updates 6 months apart (no word on update size, but it's definitely not the priority over EGBE and SSP) so be prepared for long waits if you actually prefer that one. Not really excited about that one myself, I see it as a necessary evil thanks to SS's dumb shit, plus I kinda forget what's going on after 6 months and also don't feel like restarting every update either anyway so I usually just wait a few years until it's finished.

They are not even teens. They are in college like most every other AVN since it's a face project so is as vanilla as possible. Only non-vanilla about it is incest (which is also kinda vanilla to me). That one has planned updates 6 months apart (no word on update size, but it's definitely not the priority over EGBE and SSP) so be prepared for long waits if you actually prefer that one. Not really excited about that one myself, I see it as a necessary evil thanks to SS's dumb shit, plus I kinda forget what's going on after 6 months and also don't feel like restarting every update either anyway so I usually just wait a few years until it's finished.

Which devs haven’t abandonned the genre yet? Only Blackheart? Even Partedes and Goosenards have quit and are now making the Vanilla content

 

[Montimer]

Which devs haven’t abandonned the genre yet? Only Blackheart? Even Partedes and Goosenards have quit and are now making the Vanilla content

Partades was mostly teen focused. Goosenards too in his last 2 or 3 games.
It's pretty much Ketzal, Seath and couple of independent devs who do it for fun. The genre is very much not on best terms unless there is a platform that actually allows people to do it as their job.

 

[lewdito]

Partades was mostly teen focused. Goosenards too in his last 2 or 3 games.
It's pretty much Ketzal, Seath and couple of independent devs who do it for fun. The genre is very much not on best terms unless there is a platform that actually allows people to do it as their job.

Who are these independent devs and game names?

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Which devs haven’t abandonned the genre yet? Only Blackheart? Even Partedes and Goosenards have quit and are now making the Vanilla content

GN flips back and forth. I get the feeling they don't enjoy making lewd lolis but do it anyway to keep their subs. The current one is planned to be 10 chapters so ~2 years, long for them, and has a 10yo runaway LI. Of course it's prob slow burn so no molesting them yet. Apt. 69/Luxee makes an update when he needs money I guess (he's set it up to where no release = no one pays). But yeah there's not that many legit loli devs left, most crank out fake 18 crap like Revenous/Lament like everyone else that's kinda loli but not really. Good for Ketzal and Blackheart I guess, less competition.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Partades was mostly teen focused. Goosenards too in his last 2 or 3 games.
It's pretty much Ketzal, Seath and couple of independent devs who do it for fun. The genre is very much not on best terms unless there is a platform that actually allows people to do it as their job.

Afaik officially there is no such platform on the clearnet, devs have to find creative ways around stupid anti-loli policies, like making a bogus vanilla project for their "storefront" and keeping what people are really subbing to a private-Discord secret in the secret employees-only back rooms while advertising on sites like here in non-public/restricted/VIP-members-only sections.

 

[Montimer]

Who are these independent devs and game names?

Most of them are just here. Not many have finished games but hey, it's content. It's fappable.

Afaik officially there is no such platform on the clearnet, devs have to find creative ways around stupid anti-loli policies, like making a bogus vanilla project for their "storefront" and keeping what people are really subbing to a private-Discord secret in the secret employees-only back rooms while advertising on sites like here in non-public/restricted/VIP-members-only sections.

I know and there won't be another platform like subscribestar for long time. Plus Substar itself is horrendous with accepting new people and lately if they know you're doing "shady" things they give you a light slap on the wrist.
People are creative, they will always find ways. But not everyone has the nerves to deal with it. Much easier to create 100th "insert your relation here" game with a character who has lost his memory or returns to his long lost family.

 

[yoyomistro]

Man, I'm glad I'm not a loli fan and just here for the incest. Would suck if you escaped to SS expecting it to be a safe-haven for loli content. But how does the saying go? "First they came for the loli fans, and I did not speak out." I don't see SS burning the incest bridge anytime soon; hopefully it's a decent chunk of their revenue still. I remember when OF thought they could go SFW and they tanked in like literally less than 24 hours lol before they got their heads on straight.

 

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[Nicest_Incest]

Man, I'm glad I'm not a loli fan and just here for the incest. Would suck if you escaped to SS expecting it to be a safe-haven for loli content. But how does the saying go? "First they came for the loli fans, and I did not speak out." I don't see SS burning the incest bridge anytime soon; hopefully it's a decent chunk of their revenue still. I remember when OF thought they could go SFW and they tanked in like literally less than 24 hours lol before they got their heads on straight.

Yeah no idea why OF even thought to attempt that idiocy. Even a retard could foresee a porn sight for independents switching to only PG-13 streams would tank, by then they already built up their audience that isn't there to watch a Youtube clone. As usual it was prob payment processor meddling and they switched PP's to ones that give less of a shit about content when they got their shit together, prob same network that SS and Steam uses (incest is fine, but they draw the line in the sand at naked cartoon kids).

 

[lewdito]

GN flips back and forth. I get the feeling they don't enjoy making lewd lolis but do it anyway to keep their subs. The current one is planned to be 10 chapters so ~2 years, long for them, and has a 10yo runaway LI. Of course it's prob slow burn so no molesting them yet. Apt. 69/Luxee makes an update when he needs money I guess (he's set it up to where no release = no one pays). But yeah there's not that many legit loli devs left, most crank out fake 18 crap like Revenous/Lament like everyone else that's kinda loli but not really. Good for Ketzal and Blackheart I guess, less competition.

But isn’t Ketzal also leaving the genre to focus on college oldies?

 

[Nicest_Incest]

But isn’t Ketzal also leaving the genre to focus on college oldies?

no, because he knows his business would tank due to far more competition if he did (yay, what the world needs, another 5000th new porn story set in college /s), as this is his day job and has been since not long after SSP started (prob even before leaving F95 way back during 0.4 when he quit making loli patches for it). The "college oldies" is just a front AVN made just to keep his SS page from getting banned and just subsidizes the lolis he actually wants to make and what his fans actually want, nothing more, nothing less. As you might expect it's not a priority vs SSP or EGBE (updates half as often and prob also half the size). Other loli devs still active have followed suit for the most part (though Blackheart doesn't even bother making a fake front project, he simply leaves his SS page mostly empty).

Makes me wonder why Google didn't do the same thing with Youtube instead of kiss advertiser ass back in 2017, when you consider if you want to advertise on the internet at all with even a decent chance of your ad being seen by more than 1-2% of internet users you're stuck with Google in one form or another anyway or you're shit out of luck, if not Youtube then Adsense or one of their other subsidiaries so Youtube could be 100% free/no income and simply subsidized by their other company branches if not from premium subs (as currently is not even worth watching for free and I would have simply told them "see you later when you get desperate enough, and I think I'll charge you a higher rate just for annoying me").

 

[lewdito]

no, because he knows his business would tank due to far more competition if he did (yay, what the world needs, another 5000th new porn story set in college /s), as this is his day job and has been since not long after SSP started (prob even before leaving Fuck95 way back during 0.4 when he quit making loli patches for it). The "college oldies" is just a front AVN made just to keep his SS page from getting banned and just subsidizes the lolis he actually wants to make and what his fans actually want, nothing more, nothing less. As you might expect it's not a priority vs SSP or EGBE (updates half as often and prob also half the size). Other loli devs still active have followed suit for the most part (though Blackheart doesn't even bother making a fake front project, he simply leaves his SS page mostly empty).

Makes me wonder why Google didn't do the same thing with Youtube instead of kiss advertiser ass back in 2017, when you consider if you want to advertise on the internet at all with even a decent chance of your ad being seen by more than 1-2% of internet users you're stuck with Google in one form or another anyway or you're shit out of luck, if not Youtube then Adsense or one of their other subsidiaries so Youtube could be 100% free/no income and simply subsidized by their other company branches if not from premium subs (as currently is not even worth watching for free and I would have simply told them "see you later when you get desperate enough, and I think I'll charge you a higher rate just for annoying me").

Man, i appreciate the effort and dedication you put on your awnsers. You are a very valuable member here. Thanks

 

[User_150284]

But isn’t Ketzal also leaving the genre to focus on college oldies?

No. SSP isn't changing. I've created a second game EGBE (demo available for subs), even more taboo
I'm still making this kind of game and will keep doing it.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Man, i appreciate the effort and dedication you put on your awnsers. You are a very valuable member here. Thanks

Yeah unlike most Ketzal doesn't seem the type to just give up and abandon an AVN with 1.4M views (= fans?) just because it is banned on some payment platform, he finds work-arounds (including leaving the country that outlawed it). As they say where there's a will there's a way. I mostly left SS myself when SSP did but I still sub with the 3-month plan on Mee6, it's 10% cheaper that way anyway.

 

[cippssss]

No. SSP isn't changing. I've created a second game EGBE (demo available for subs), even more taboo
I'm still making this kind of game and will keep doing it.

promise to keep and i respect you as game dev for not back down and bend knee to the preasure. rarely seing dev who stand their ground with their idea these day. most recent with no mercy dev sadly he has to pull the game from steam but it comes also with free ads for the game.

 

[lewdito]

No. SSP isn't changing. I've created a second game EGBE (demo available for subs), even more taboo
I'm still making this kind of game and will keep doing it.

We are all very greatful. Is SSP close to the end? And is EGBE your next big project for us?

 

[Nicest_Incest]

promise to keep and i respect you as game dev for not back down and bend knee to the preasure. rarely seing dev who stand their ground with their idea these day. most recent with no mercy dev sadly he has to pull the game from steam but it comes also with free ads for the game.

yeah that dev was just a pussy, plain and simple. Steam didn't remove it, he did. Had he gave a middle finger to all the internet whiners (no one was forcing them to play it if they didn't like it, there's 0 need or want to try to be everyone else's nanny) and left it up the Streisand Effect could have made him a millionaire in all likelihood despite being a mediocre AVN overall as people in the countries that could still do so would have bought it just to see what all the outrage was about (it's not like they can't come here or 100 other sites and get it for free anyway, Steam or not). Obviously the money was important otherwise he wouldn't have put it on Steam to begin with (it's $100 fee just to get them to review it whether it gets approved after or not), so dunno what he was thinking.

 

[bombmaster]

yeah that dev was just a pussy, plain and simple. Steam didn't remove it, he did. Had he gave a middle finger to all the internet whiners (no one was forcing them to play it if they didn't like it, there's 0 need or want to try to be everyone else's nanny) and left it up the Streisand Effect that could have made him a millionaire in all likelihood despite being a medicre AVN overall as people in the countries that could still do so would have bought it just to see what all the outrage was about (it's not like they can't come here or 100 other sites and get it for free anyway, Steam or not). Obviously the money was important otherwise he wouldn't have put it on Steam to begin with, so dunno what he was thinking.

Damn, he took it out? what moron.

 

[cippssss]

Damn, he took it out? what moron.

Yeah most people and those feminist shit thinking steam is the one who took it down but it's dev who took it down. steam doesnt really care about those type of game. now dev go just go silent.