discussion Stories in adult games

[KippyKeppy]

Is it just me or do most of the stories feel like they are trying to hard to create this persona of a bad ass person? Like many stories feel a little far fetched.

 

[rocketsheep]

I agree, but it's natural for the genre. This is about male wish fulfillment.
The corresponding genre for women is mass-market romantic novels such as Harlequin novels. They are similarly unsubtle about female wish fulfillment.

 

[KippyKeppy]

I agree, but it's natural for the genre. This is about male wish fulfillment.
The corresponding genre for women is mass-market romantic novels such as Harlequin novels. They are similarly unsubtle about female wish fulfillment.

Yea but to be some badass spy, super hero, or some kind of weird scifi matrix bs just feels far fetched.

Why not something more relatable? Yes have some badass moments but not... off the charts lol

 

[rocketsheep]

Yea but to be some badass spy, super hero, or some kind of weird scifi matrix bs just feels far fetched.

Why not something more relatable? Yes have some badass moments but not... off the charts lol

For me that would work better, too. But this site (like similar ones) is full of people who start whining if the main character isn't badass, or his name isn't customizable, or one out of dozens of love interests so much as looks at another man before she meets the main character. I suspect that they are mostly rather young. In our late teens we all want to prove our worth and get laid, and if the attempts get too frustrating in real life, many use adult novels for wishfulfillment in both respects.

 

[AlBetGam]

A lot of them do, yeah. Many AVNs go for a sort of pseudo-Tom Clancy genre. Which doesn't bother me on its own, except that a lot of them don't do it very well.

But there's also plenty of games about more slice-of-life protagonists- college students and office workers and middle-aged dads.

 

[Delpp]

The simple answer is: it's harder to write an interesting and engaging story on a common experience compared to writing it about an extraordinary one. Even if the writing is poor at least the extraordinary situation itself will still have some interest.

That being said for porn games I agree the porn part can and should be sufficient and seemingly very average people can have a very rich and diverse sex life.

 

[ArtoriasABW]

The thing is a lot of people want to play as the perfect guy who can't do no wrong and everything goes right for him, personally I think it gets boring pretty fast but to each their own.

 

[elfieeven]

Yea but to be some badass spy, super hero, or some kind of weird scifi matrix bs just feels far fetched.

Why not something more relatable? Yes have some badass moments but not... off the charts lol

It really depends on the scope of the story the author is going for.

I have two games and one is a big story with multiple antagonists over each season. This one is 100% male power fantasy so the MC is a badass with one major flaw that is going to cause major problems for himself and others to balance things out.

The second game is more slice of life with a tiny bit of drama so the MC is pretty f'n boring. He could take on one average sized guy in a bar fight, as long as no weapons were involved

 

[elfieeven]

The simple answer is: it's harder to write an interesting and engaging story on a common experience compared to writing it about an extraordinary one. Even if the writing is poor at least the extraordinary situation itself will still have some interest.

That being said for porn games I agree the porn part can and should be sufficient and seemingly very average people can have a very rich and diverse sex life.

Agreed 1000%

Slice of life is a lot hard to write and make interesting, especially if you want to avoid the standard cliches (dressing rooms anyone?). Don't forget that DAZ creators are limited by the available assets as well which means that sometimes you come up with an interesting idea, only to realize that it's impossible unless you spend the next year learning how to make marginally acceptable stuff in Blender OR spend a lot of time buying something and then making it work within DAZ.

 

[Faye]

It's true, but when you find a really well written AVN it's so much better even if the renders are not the best imo.

 

[AlBetGam]

especially if you want to avoid the standard cliches (dressing rooms anyone?)

AVN Mom's daily schedule:

AM
6:00- Wake and do daily yoga consisting entirely of titillating poses
7:00- Shower in bathroom with busted door latch
7:30- Slowly dry off and dress in bedroom with busted door latch
8:00- Go to son's room to wake him up (he's only 18, he can't do this himself yet), stare at improbably huge erection until he wakes (despite having three kids, has never seen one before)
8:30- Make son breakfast (he's only 18, he can't do this himself yet)
9:00- If weekend, shopping with son; try on bikinis in dressing room with busted door latch, then model for son until he picks skimpiest option
If weekday, ??? Work maybe???

PM
6:00- Get home and make son dinner (he's only 18, he can't do this himself yet)
7:00- First bottle of wine
8:00- Daily mental breakdown about being hideous and undesirable withered crone until son can arrive and point out she's the most gorgeous woman in the universe, just like every other woman he knows
9:00- Don skimpiest lingerie and/or insufficient robe for casual movie night with son; second bottle of wine
9:30- Mention stress, get massage; despite having had three kids, be totally confused by poking sensation when son straddles butt in only possible massage position
10:00- Invite son to join morning yoga, pass out
11:00- Wake, ignore odd damp and sticky feeling and go to bed

 

[User_138888]

It's true, but when you find a really well written AVN it's so much better even if the renders are not the best imo.

then you see abandoned tag and your heart starts bleed because you know its the burnout. To all solo devs out there, do things on your pace. There are people that enjoy your work.

 

[elfieeven]

AVN Mom's daily schedule:

AM
6:00- Wake and do daily yoga consisting entirely of titillating poses
7:00- Shower in bathroom with busted door latch
7:30- Slowly dry off and dress in bedroom with busted door latch
8:00- Go to son's room to wake him up (he's only 18, he can't do this himself yet), stare at improbably huge erection until he wakes (despite having three kids, has never seen one before)
8:30- Make son breakfast (he's only 18, he can't do this himself yet)
9:00- If weekend, shopping with son; try on bikinis in dressing room with busted door latch, then model for son until he picks skimpiest option
If weekday, ??? Work maybe???

PM
6:00- Get home and make son dinner (he's only 18, he can't do this himself yet)
7:00- First bottle of wine
8:00- Daily mental breakdown about being hideous and undesirable withered crone until son can arrive and point out she's the most gorgeous woman in the universe, just like every other woman he knows
9:00- Don skimpiest lingerie and/or insufficient robe for casual movie night with son; second bottle of wine
9:30- Mention stress, get massage; despite having had three kids, be totally confused by poking sensation when son straddles butt in only possible massage position
10:00- Invite son to join morning yoga, pass out
11:00- Wake, ignore odd damp and sticky feeling and go to bed

Weekend version would include a trip with son to get new clothes... but only after she does her Yoga

 

[vandura]

Personally, yet another Anna Nicole Smith clone-filled AVN keeps me from ever making it to the story. I understand this is what people want, but it's just my two cents. They lose me in the previews.

 

[KippyKeppy]

The thing is a lot of people want to play as the perfect guy who can't do no wrong and everything goes right for him, personally I think it gets boring pretty fast but to each their own.

Agreed! Thats why I feel like its hard to immerse myself into the character.

 

[Bananana73]

Yea I actually kind of prefer the ones where the guy gets some kind of superpower or something, because it helps excuse getting away with tons of stuff. The ones that are just like you're rich and successful so you spend all your time banging women is much less interesting.

 

[famkam1111]

I mean yeah, its dev's fantasy/fiction. Yes its unrealistic, dumb but fun.

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[Vidilo]

Yes, the entire genre is fueled by wishful thinking.

 

[Som90]

Is it just me or do most of the stories feel like they are trying to hard to create this persona of a bad ass person? Like many stories feel a little far fetched.

Yea but to be some badass spy, super hero, or some kind of weird scifi matrix bs just feels far fetched.

Why not something more relatable? Yes have some badass moments but not... off the charts lol

I too would like more realistic/relatable protagonists
A story can still be outlandish with a normal protagonist. Neo from the matrix starts as an office worker, many superheros are relatable because we see them having to learn how to deal with their powers while reacting emotionally to what's happened to them (a la spiderman)
But stories also don't always have to be adrenaline fueled messes too; in my real life I've had close calls, I figure most people have. Thsoe moments can be just as heart pounding in a story I feel.

Also I feel like intimacy is handled poorly in a lot of AVNs, where it doesn't hold as much meaning because it's not treated with respect by the characters.

Sometimes I wonder how many AVNs are written by teenage boys. (then again, I suppose most of us humans don't really grow up; so adults are often just as immature)

A lot of them do, yeah. Many AVNs go for a sort of pseudo-Tom Clancy genre. Which doesn't bother me on its own, except that a lot of them don't do it very well.

But there's also plenty of games about more slice-of-life protagonists- college students and office workers and middle-aged dads.

I also wonder how much as asset flipping?
Like, there are a ton of big money mansions, island paradises and such; and I've noticed some things seem to match up with other AVNs.
It makes me want someoen to do a story and design a believable cluttered house of a lower income family; none of my homes have ever looked like the ones in AVNs; (which are either pristine, or literal disaster zones)
But I just think there are more assets designed for bikinis, luxury living and scnearios like spies and modelling life than day to day realism.

The simple answer is: it's harder to write an interesting and engaging story on a common experience compared to writing it about an extraordinary one. Even if the writing is poor at least the extraordinary situation itself will still have some interest.

That being said for porn games I agree the porn part can and should be sufficient and seemingly very average people can have a very rich and diverse sex life.

And if that works for them, cool
But I definitely enjoy a well written story more than a sex filled porn scroller.

It's true, but when you find a really well written AVN it's so much better even if the renders are not the best imo.

This, so much this.
Every time I start talking about stories in AVNs, I just want to try and brainstorm some good ones.
But then I think of all the other work that goes into them, that I have no experience with...
I kinda wanna tell a story based on someone I knew in my high school days; but the setting would be ghetto suburbia, which I've never really seen done well in AVNs.

Yes, the entire genre is fueled by wishful thinking.

I think there is room for diversity in that thinking though
I mean, I've found some stories I consider diamonds in the rough.
But sometimes I wonder if I just like them because they're different?

 

[AlBetGam]

I also wonder how much as asset flipping?
Like, there are a ton of big money mansions, island paradises and such; and I've noticed some things seem to match up with other AVNs.
It makes me want someoen to do a story and design a believable cluttered house of a lower income family; none of my homes have ever looked like the ones in AVNs; (which are either pristine, or literal disaster zones)
But I just think there are more assets designed for bikinis, luxury living and scnearios like spies and modelling life than day to day realism.

Probably a big part of it, yeah. I'd like that too but I suspect actually doing the renders for that would be beyond the skill/patience level for a lot of devs; a room full of clean and neat surfaces is going to be much easier to generate (especially repeatedly) than one covered in poor man's clutter.