discussion Abandoned VN Ren'Py DAZ Apocalypse [v0.37b-LMAr2] [LEGACYUSER]

[User_20285]

Reading comments is like reading the worst disinformation on the planet. The questions I get are beyond lazy more often than not. If you introduce any additional character to have sex with Harem girls, that's an intentional choice. Sharing is not required. Sharing is allowed and in game but behind several firewalls. There are only 2 other characters that even have sex scenes that have dicks. 1) Your potential son. 2) Evelyn (intersex female). Both are totally avoidable with many many warnings. Not all LIs will be virgins when you meet them. That's not realistic or part of this game. Harem entries will be walled off from other content if that's your choice. Booty Call girls and non-LIs are not exclusive to the MC. They are booty calls and non-LIs for a reason. Not every girl is an LI or harem girl. There are ways through the story you can change that but a non-harem, non-LI is not exclusive to the MC.

So I have no problem with girls not being virgins, but there is a difference between a girl having a past and seeing it.

Unfortunately the warning of "Grooming" having just gotten done with the Diane grooming scene i thought it would be more like that, not seeing Amy with a face/pussy full of another man's cum and so when I clicked view Amy was ruined for me. No way to put that genie back in the bottle. If there is no way to avoid Amy fucking Zach like with Diana, then I'll have to avoid her as the MC.

I understand and I'm okay with Robert and Evelyn as I will just remove them from the game before they touch anyone. Sharing problem solved.
Do I have to play the side stories to make sure Robert doesn't touch the girls in his story or when the main story catches up will I just be given the option to choose if he did or not?

I know not every girl will be a virgin, but that doesn't mean I want to see or hear about their past. Who wants to hear their potential sex partner talk about how many dicks' she's had? definitely not me.

 

[JokerOfTorment]

So I have no problem with girls not being virgins, but there is a difference between a girl having a past and seeing it.

Unfortunately the warning of "Grooming" having just gotten done with the Diane grooming scene i thought it would be more like that, not seeing Amy with a face/pussy full of another man's cum and so when I clicked view Amy was ruined for me. No way to put that genie back in the bottle. If there is no way to avoid Amy fucking Zach like with Diana, then I'll have to avoid her as the MC.

I understand and I'm okay with Robert and Evelyn as I will just remove them from the game before they touch anyone. Sharing problem solved.
Do I have to play the side stories to make sure Robert doesn't touch the girls in his story or when the main story catches up will I just be given the option to choose if he did or not?

I know not every girl will be a virgin, but that doesn't mean I want to see or hear about their past. Who wants to hear their potential sex partner talk about how many dicks' she's had? definitely not me.

Yeah, not a fan of having to see all the side characters doing stuff if it branches into them, joining the Mc, possibly later, etc. Also, not happy that the harem tag is added, then we have to get another male character who can potentially have sex with said harem girls. And according to a guide to having a good harem that I have seen on another website that's not how things work of letting another male do anything with the harem girls and a lot agreed. So having that tag then adding another male character seems like the wrong thing to do. As if others are saying it's bad to let another male do anything to the Mc's, loved ones who are his harem girls or just plain lovers isn't going to be the best thing to do as then the sharing or swinging tag will have to be added at that point, and no one likes those tags either.

 

[Malakai]

People seem to be too stupid to understand that this game is choice based.....
Dont want something to happen in the game, like sharing/gay/trap/rape/necrophilia, etc ?
Just choose the option to avoid it....

Oh noes! A IMAGINARY 9000 years old loli already sucked dry 918532176 other men before she met my IMAGINARY self in the game?
BLASPHEMY ! BURN IT TO THE GROUND!

Its a porn game with choices. Either choose the options you prefer, or, if the game doesnt let you, quit playing.

Just because YOU dont like something thats in the game, doesnt mean EVERYONE else also doesnt like it. Its your personal prefference , not everyones.

People should try to grow up, and be an actual men/woman/flyingcar , and move on with their life. The constant whining about stuff like this is getting tiresome.

 

[JokerOfTorment]

I'll use this as an example if Capcom or Ea puts in microtransactions or try to add in shitty anti cheats into single player games effecting mods and performance into their games, especially ones last minute such as like Capcom did with Dragon's Dogma 2. Should everyone start to praise Capcom and keep silent and let it keep happening or speak their mind to make a point to stop them from keep doing it? Sure not buying from them works, but not as much a the ones who speak up on something. So of course we will express our mind on the issues and such about a Vn adding in stuff, especially ones as controversial to be added.

 

[BadJM]

People seem to be too stupid to understand that this game is choice based.....
Dont want something to happen in the game, like sharing/gay/trap/rape/necrophilia, etc ?
Just choose the option to avoid it....

Oh noes! A IMAGINARY 9000 years old loli already sucked dry 918532176 other men before she met my IMAGINARY self in the game?
BLASPHEMY ! BURN IT TO THE GROUND!

Its a porn game with choices. Either choose the options you prefer, or, if the game doesnt let you, quit playing.

Just because YOU dont like something thats in the game, doesnt mean EVERYONE else also doesnt like it. Its your personal prefference , not everyones.

People should try to grow up, and be an actual men/woman/flyingcar , and move on with their life. The constant whining about stuff like this is getting tiresome.

Yea I don't understand why people get upset about stuff that is 100% avoidable. Honestly a lot of games could learn from this one, on how to make it easy for players to avoid content they don't like.

 

[yoyomistro]

I'll use this as an example if Capcom or Ea puts in microtransactions or try to add in shitty anti cheats into single player games effecting mods and performance into their games, especially ones last minute such as like Capcom did with Dragon's Dogma 2. Should everyone start to praise Capcom and keep silent and let it keep happening or speak their mind to make a point to stop them from keep doing it? Sure not buying from them works, but not as much a the ones who speak up on something. So of course we will express our mind on the issues and such about a Vn adding in stuff, especially ones as controversial to be added.

So you're comparing optional content that's completely avoidable to scummy business practices? You need to go back to middle school and relearn basic analogies. This game is great, and you can easily play it many different ways to avoid content you don't like. Your butthurt screeching is displaying how your ilk make this space worse and worse every day.

 

[User_20285]

Yeah, to be fair, i have no problem with optional content. I had an issue with the warning not being clear enough on what I was skipping/viewing. Honestly, if I had known the side quest stuff didn't involve the MC at all, I just wouldn't have played it.

But since I had inadvertently seen the aftermath of Amy x Zach, i was asking if there was going to be a way to avoid that? Like you can avoid all the sex in Meet the Robinsons. But in Diane Ch1 it seems the options were to skip, not avoid. I'm okay with things being there for people that are not me, just let me avoid it, not skip, avoid.

But if there is no way to avoid that happening to Amy I'll just avoid her as the MC, problem solved.

 

[Beduin123]

Yeah, to be fair, i have no problem with optional content. I had an issue with the warning not being clear enough on what I was skipping/viewing. Honestly, if I had known the side quest stuff didn't involve the MC at all, I just wouldn't have played it.

But since I had inadvertently seen the aftermath of Amy x Zach, i was asking if there was going to be a way to avoid that? Like you can avoid all the sex in Meet the Robinsons. But in Diane Ch1 it seems the options were to skip, not avoid. I'm okay with things being there for people that are not me, just let me avoid it, not skip, avoid.

But if there is no way to avoid that happening to Amy I'll just avoid her as the MC, problem solved.

I partially understand you. I had similar problem with Tales from the Unending Void. There is a trans character there and it wasn't clearly expressed in the game what's going to happen. So now I can't ditch him/her and every interaction (even non sexual) now pisses me off.
But in Apocalypse the message was clear for me, so I avoided a similar mistake.

 

[Beduin123]

Good game so far but yeah the moaning was really puzzling me so I came here and searched the thread. I am of the opinion moaning makes the scenes hotter but I'm surprised this issue hasn't been addressed yet.

It really needs to end with the scene like in other AVN's. Thanks for your work on this game though I'm still early on but so far it seems pretty cool.

As far as I understand, the Dev is still not that good at coding. He is trying to improve with every update but still has a lot to learn.
On the other hand, I like the story, the models and characters in this game a lot. The Love incest line is very good. Both the Mom and the Sister are hot as hell.

 

[Lonesome Toad]

So is Diane Emily/Moms daughter with the MC? It says she is pregnant with a daughter and its listed as secret meanwhile on this threads character list Diane is listed under secret.
If not where is their daughter? April's and Mary's seem to be accounted for.

Great game btw.

 

[Akeymu]

Reading comments is like reading the worst disinformation on the planet. The questions I get are beyond lazy more often than not. If you introduce any additional character to have sex with Harem girls, that's an intentional choice. Sharing is not required. Sharing is allowed and in game but behind several firewalls. There are only 2 other characters that even have sex scenes that have dicks. 1) Your potential son. 2) Evelyn (intersex female). Both are totally avoidable with many many warnings. Not all LIs will be virgins when you meet them. That's not realistic or part of this game. Harem entries will be walled off from other content if that's your choice. Booty Call girls and non-LIs are not exclusive to the MC. They are booty calls and non-LIs for a reason. Not every girl is an LI or harem girl. There are ways through the story you can change that but a non-harem, non-LI is not exclusive to the MC.

"potential" son? sooooo like trap sissy son? or like sharing/tag team son?

already opened the full Evelyn route, and noticed there was a whole bi/gay scenerio, so im guessing that the son will be implemented as another LI, and participate in the the orgy fun? wouldnt mind him tag teaming with his mom or sisters, or having him used and clean up after

 

[RealLegacyUser]

So I have no problem with girls not being virgins, but there is a difference between a girl having a past and seeing it.

Unfortunately the warning of "Grooming" having just gotten done with the Diane grooming scene i thought it would be more like that, not seeing Amy with a face/pussy full of another man's cum and so when I clicked view Amy was ruined for me. No way to put that genie back in the bottle. If there is no way to avoid Amy fucking Zach like with Diana, then I'll have to avoid her as the MC.

I understand and I'm okay with Robert and Evelyn as I will just remove them from the game before they touch anyone. Sharing problem solved.
Do I have to play the side stories to make sure Robert doesn't touch the girls in his story or when the main story catches up will I just be given the option to choose if he did or not?

I know not every girl will be a virgin, but that doesn't mean I want to see or hear about their past. Who wants to hear their potential sex partner talk about how many dicks' she's had? definitely not me.

Good question. Yes, Robert and Evelyn are easy to avoid. Just don't enable them. As for the side stories. They are just that, optional content. I'll alter the warning for the Diane SS. It is a bit vague. You do *not* have to play the side stories and if you don't the events in them don't happen from the side stories perspective. Let me explain.

#1: The events in MTR (sexual events) don't happen in the main story if you don't play them. The main story will assume you did nothing, no sexual activity, just storyline.
#2: Unfortunate Circumstances will occur without the sexual situation at the pool, which was very light to begin with.
#3: Ruby and Diane have no events in the main story. That's just side story for Diane who is soon to have a larger role.
#4: Amy is not an LI or character in the main story that the MC can have anything to do with. I won't spoil it with the reason, just understand, she's not even a booty call. There won't be an option to have sex with her or have any other relationship. She is storyline only.
#5: Some backstory is pertinent to the story. I've put warnings before the graphic ones to spare those who don't want to read it. Some light references though cannot be helped since it is a comprehensive story. Those are done through references and not details.

Hope this clarifies things a bit. Thank you!

 

[RealLegacyUser]

Yeah, not a fan of having to see all the side characters doing stuff if it branches into them, joining the Mc, possibly later, etc. Also, not happy that the harem tag is added, then we have to get another male character who can potentially have sex with said harem girls. And according to a guide to having a good harem that I have seen on another website that's not how things work of letting another male do anything with the harem girls and a lot agreed. So having that tag then adding another male character seems like the wrong thing to do. As if others are saying it's bad to let another male do anything to the Mc's, loved ones who are his harem girls or just plain lovers isn't going to be the best thing to do as then the sharing or swinging tag will have to be added at that point, and no one likes those tags either.

I appreciate the response. The Harem tag does apply and there's a good reason for that.

#1: You can easily avoid the content and eliminate the content with another male or intersex character.
#2: "How is it so easy?" Press W or M during play and you'll get a fully detailed walkthrough in-game. You will KNOW the consequences of choices before you make them. Press W or M. Or on Android, 2 new buttons to the UI were added to include this functionality for droid as of .37.

 

[RealLegacyUser]

People seem to be too stupid to understand that this game is choice based.....
Dont want something to happen in the game, like sharing/gay/trap/rape/necrophilia, etc ?
Just choose the option to avoid it....

Oh noes! A IMAGINARY 9000 years old loli already sucked dry 918532176 other men before she met my IMAGINARY self in the game?
BLASPHEMY ! BURN IT TO THE GROUND!

Its a porn game with choices. Either choose the options you prefer, or, if the game doesnt let you, quit playing.

Just because YOU dont like something thats in the game, doesnt mean EVERYONE else also doesnt like it. Its your personal prefference , not everyones.

People should try to grow up, and be an actual men/woman/flyingcar , and move on with their life. The constant whining about stuff like this is getting tiresome.

I try to be inclusive for my audience as much as possible. If it's something I don't have a problem with and people would like it, I try to include it.

Reminder to anyone playing my game. Use W or M keys (PC/MAC) or the new buttons on droid to see the walkthrough maps! You will trigger a map that you can click and drag on to see the route choices available to you. Not just a modified menu choice, but a visual map with notes and details of your choices.

 

[RealLegacyUser]

I partially understand you. I had similar problem with Tales from the Unending Void. There is a trans character there and it wasn't clearly expressed in the game what's going to happen. So now I can't ditch him/her and every interaction (even non sexual) now pisses me off.
But in Apocalypse the message was clear for me, so I avoided a similar mistake.

I definitely try and do my best to warn players so they can focus on the content they want to see and avoid content they do not. It's not always perfect but I think I do far more than most games.

 

[RealLegacyUser]

I'll use this as an example if Capcom or Ea puts in microtransactions or try to add in shitty anti cheats into single player games effecting mods and performance into their games, especially ones last minute such as like Capcom did with Dragon's Dogma 2. Should everyone start to praise Capcom and keep silent and let it keep happening or speak their mind to make a point to stop them from keep doing it? Sure not buying from them works, but not as much a the ones who speak up on something. So of course we will express our mind on the issues and such about a Vn adding in stuff, especially ones as controversial to be added.

I have no idea about Capcom or EA and microtransactions in my game. They are not present. You can absolutely express opinions though and feedback. I accept honest feedback and criticism. So long as you don't lie about my game I have no beef even if you don't like it. One area I need to really improve on is animations. Valid criticism. Better dialog. Yeah I can see that. Etc.

 

[RealLegacyUser]

So is Diane Emily/Moms daughter with the MC? It says she is pregnant with a daughter and its listed as secret meanwhile on this threads character list Diane is listed under secret.
If not where is their daughter? April's and Mary's seem to be accounted for.

Great game btw.

Thank you and very astute observation. More will be revealed soon. It may not be what you think.

 

[Corellius]

alot of good stuff here, scenes are great, and its a real incestfest. but if i have one complaint its that the crux of the plot is complete bull shit. the notion that incestuous breeding results somehow in mutant children normally is a myth, complete and utter nonsense, that is not how genetics work. having no notable genetic defects even after several subsequent incestuous generations is not special, its normal. the ONLY thing that occurs after multiple incestuous generations is that the statistical rate of passive alleles increases slightly. it only becomes statistically significant after 6 subsequent generations of nonstop incest. and passive alleles aren't somehow mutations or somesuch nonsense. for example, being colorblind is a passive allele so if the lineage had colorblindness, after several generations of incest it will become more and more likely to be a trait shared across that lineage. even still it would take something like 20 nonstop generations before exceeding a 50/50 chance, and around 36 before its generally seen in all offspring. which is a very long time, its been about 50 generations since the fall of the Roman empire. we are talking more than 1000 years of incest before everyone gets a passive allele like colorblindness. the only real issues come from large populations all being genetically close, making viruses have a much easier time sweeping through populations for instance. that being said however, all of humanity is effectively an incestuous race. mitochondrial DNA is inherited matrilineally from mother to children and is an exact copy of that DNA, meaning that set will be the same no matter how many generations. from this we know for a fact that at one point humanity almost went extinct, because there are only 5 sets of mitochondrial DNA in our species, we can see in many other species several hundred sets of mitochondrial DNA. that means that at some point humanity was down to only 5 women, and we all literally descend from those 5. low key you have a 1/5 chance no matter who you bang, that your mitochondrial DNA is identical. meaning some level of incest tracing the line back far enough. which is why humans are all roughly the same height and muscle mass, when dogs for example come in all shapes and sizes.

so basically what im trying to say, is that the company or whatever wanting the MC in this game because they have no issues incestuously breeding, is stupid nonsense based on an old wives tale made up to dissuade siblings from fucking, with no basis at all in scientific fact. if you want them to still be genetically special, what you can do is say something like their lineage has no passive alleles, no never any chance of colorblindness for example no matter how many generations, effectively perfect genes through dumb luck, meaning many more positives to incestuous breeding to keep the gene pool free of negative traits from bloodlines with passive alleles. much more scientific basis with that notion, that what is in game currently.

sorry, turned into a rant there. im just sick of seeing these anti-scientific lies propagated in my damn porn games lol.

 

[Myuhinny]

That's a wall of text that not many will read.

 

[superpuma]

Nice explanation, I like to understand a little of everything... you can't know everything, but you can know a little of everything. Incestuous relationships, ****philia, etc. were marginalized so that the human race could be improved morally, not scientifically. Lies are what we are told most, just ignore the current narrative of climate change, deforestation, etc. The changing planet has always been and will always be like this until the next ice age around the year 60,000 lol So... let's get to what interests us LOLI SEXO, the artists could give us solo images throughout the wait...