discussion Abandoned VN Ren'Py DAZ Early Love [v0.8.2] [KindyGuY]

[drcstack]

Well, first of all, if MC is NOT on the path with, for example, Lily, and then she will have relationships with someone, that is not ntr, anyway, I'm not gonna show a lot of content about Lily's relationships with Tommy (if you're not on her path). This is a reasonable combination of circumstances in the case that if you don't show your love to any of the girls, then they will find their love with someone else. And it's not ntr. Second thing - I really haven't known that in other countries there are a lot of people who hate ntr. In my country there are a lot of people who like ntr, and there are people who don't care about ntr, so if they don't like it they just skip it and keep on playing or they just don't play and not panic about it like it was here. I will never understand why people hate ntr so much but love loli, I like ntr but it's just my fantasy, just like lolis, and it doesn't mean I like these things in my real life. Some people play AVNs just for fun, but some play as if it's happening in their lives.
You are right, it's up to me how to continue the game. There will be ntr no matter what, but I'll give people choices and warnings to avoid it. Now, please, stop trying to explain me what ntr is or what it is not. And I'm sorry I didn't satisfy your wishes, I hope you'll find a lot of games without ntr, but it will be hard, because there are a lot of games with ntr.

Well, first of all, if MC is NOT on the path with, for example, Lily, and then she will have relationships with someone, that is not ntr, anyway, I'm not gonna show a lot of content about Lily's relationships with Tommy (if you're not on her path). This is a reasonable combination of circumstances in the case that if you don't show your love to any of the girls, then they will find their love with someone else. And it's not ntr. Second thing - I really haven't known that in other countries there are a lot of people who hate ntr. In my country there are a lot of people who like ntr, and there are people who don't care about ntr, so if they don't like it they just skip it and keep on playing or they just don't play and not panic about it like it was here. I will never understand why people hate ntr so much but love loli, I like ntr but it's just my fantasy, just like lolis, and it doesn't mean I like these things in my real life. Some people play AVNs just for fun, but some play as if it's happening in their lives.
You are right, it's up to me how to continue the game. There will be ntr no matter what, but I'll give people choices and warnings to avoid it. Now, please, stop trying to explain me what ntr is or what it is not. And I'm sorry I didn't satisfy your wishes, I hope you'll find a lot of games without ntr, but it will be hard, because there are a lot of games with ntr.

Ohhh ok. I did read that you're from Japan in some other comments I kinda forgot about that, that explains a lot. It's just a bit of cultural differences then. I wasn't trying to explain to you what NTR was just how majority of ppl here view it and explain some of the mind frames of ppl like me and why you received the negative feedback that you did. I had found it strange you were surprised by such reactions.

As for our ideology on NTR, well let's just say what you said isn't entirely wrong, but a grandiose of others will disagree otherwise. If not stated in tags upon release, things like cheating, sharing, ntr/cucking, swinging or even unfulfilled love will definitely upset people around here. It's well hated here. Like very much so. I don't know how that goes in Japan. I think we all can distinguish this is fantasy, it's just some would rather have characters only interested in the mc otherwise it goes against said fantasy or preference that individual may have. I didn't know that there would be different paths when I started this either. I thought it was only a kinetic visual novel thing until I played it myself. As I previously stated I only played it despite the warning because it was explained that it was the friend and not his daughter, but now I know she too will have a route so that's why I'm dropping out. I didn't mean to argue or chastise you. Just wanted to say my piece and have confirmation on the direction before deciding if I wanted to continue playing. I was one of the lucky ones going into this while knowing it was ntr. I'm glad I wasn't one of the ones caught off guard. If there's any last information I have to tell you its to be sure to know your target audience on such things and be sure to display any and all intended tags for the game up on release. Either way best of luck

 

[drcstack]

Well said. I also will never understand all the hate for NTR especially if its just optional.
Its a porn game..... dont like it? dont play it.
Its your game KindyGuy, keep on doing what you like and dont let yourself be dragged down by randoms on a forum were you post your game for FREE

What originally was the problem for this game was that it WASN'T optional. Nor was it stated to be as such and it caught all ntr haters off guard. People have preferences of what they like. Even if optional ppl hate it so much that they'd rather not bother in the first place. I wasn't trying to drag him down at all. Be rational here

What? Minority is definitely NOT the people who are ok with NTR. Without a single doubt its the opposite. If you, or anyone else, cannot handle NTR, but are somehow ok with Harem for the MC, you have sexism issues. SEVERE ones.

The people who can't handle the NTR just bitch the loudest. But are ABSOLUTELY not in the majority. There's more than enough proof out there to counter that shit logic.

Do yourself a favor and you and anyone else that can't handle, have yourself a sit down and learn about respecting the opposite sex.

Completely false. NTR is notorious. When a majority of ppl see that tag they get gone. Some love it, but it's far more who don't. That's facts. I understand you like it so you're biased, but if you were to make a poll anywhere then you'd see the results everytime on what people prefer. Like even now there's a hate post for this game below the thread because people hate ntr so much. I can't speak for different countries like Japan and ect, but a lot ppl hate it here or wary of it

 

[papapa69]

I've played pretty much all games worth mentioning and even lesser known ones, that can be found on this site and effninetyfive. games with certain themes, specifically revolving around incest and/or corruption (and you know, *that*).
NTR always feels out of place. even with games that have NTR from the start. the whole concept just goes against logic, when it's about family members. and when the scenes happen, they just feel detached from the rest of the game. because of this, they're distracting and break immersion (if there is such a thing in a porn game).

I'm not very good at describing it in detail, but the way everyone always implements NTR in their games never feels right. and NTR as a concept is feels wholly wrong and out of place.

that said, I don't agree with having it as a skippable option either, because that makes NTR a detatched part of the story. essentially service to the NTR fans. it has no bearing on the rest of the story, because it can be skipped without explaining or including the concequences of those scenes to the rest of the story/game.
and I would consider NTR events very fundamental to a story. they should have a lasting impact, because it's very serious stuff and as you've propably noticed, normally people strongly object to those concepts.

so. if you're gonna have NTR, make it unskippable part of the game that has lasting effects to the story.
but honestly, I'd rather not see any of that at all.

 

[Mr. Tearson]

We're here to talk about the game, not the users that give opinions or to create unnecessary arguments.

Literally just posted this one page back, folks... Final warning. Keep this constructive. If you don't agree with another user, ignore them. Make sure this is on topic with the game, itself.

Some of us likes NTR, some of us don't (I'm one of those that just don't care). I hardly ever see anyone go to a game page to complain about gay contents as much as this shit. Really. It's like y'all see candies and thought, "Oooh! A piece of NTR! Let's give out my most hateful comment about it! It feels important!" .... For us Mods, Admins, who follows the rules to a T, we don't consider it important and means we have to clean up this mess. Do we think the Dev should have warned the players? Yes. But that ship has sailed since then and we need to accept that it happened. If we have ideas on how to compromise to TRY and make a game more comfortable for everyone, give it. Let the Dev decide on what he/she can do with that information. We need to be better than this.

 

[98167539]

It is an awesome game!! Love the models Looking forward to the next update!

 

[KSbn]

The possible paths to see all perspectives can be something of a challenge, but I like how there are hints in the replay section for making those happen. The scenes are well considered and models look great as part of that larger visual appeal. NTR doesn't scare me if it makes sense and this game has done a good job of offering that option. Overall, I consider this a fun sleeper game compared to most offerings out there today.

 

[KindyGuY]

Ohhh ok. I did read that you're from Japan in some other comments I kinda forgot about that, that explains a lot. It's just a bit of cultural differences then. I wasn't trying to explain to you what NTR was just how majority of ppl here view it and explain some of the mind frames of ppl like me and why you received the negative feedback that you did. I had found it strange you were surprised by such reactions.

As for our ideology on NTR, well let's just say what you said isn't entirely wrong, but a grandiose of others will disagree otherwise. If not stated in tags upon release, things like cheating, sharing, ntr/cucking, swinging or even unfulfilled love will definitely upset people around here. It's well hated here. Like very much so. I don't know how that goes in Japan. I think we all can distinguish this is fantasy, it's just some would rather have characters only interested in the mc otherwise it goes against said fantasy or preference that individual may have. I didn't know that there would be different paths when I started this either. I thought it was only a kinetic visual novel thing until I played it myself. As I previously stated I only played it despite the warning because it was explained that it was the friend and not his daughter, but now I know she too will have a route so that's why I'm dropping out. I didn't mean to argue or chastise you. Just wanted to say my piece and have confirmation on the direction before deciding if I wanted to continue playing. I was one of the lucky ones going into this while knowing it was ntr. I'm glad I wasn't one of the ones caught off guard. If there's any last information I have to tell you its to be sure to know your target audience on such things and be sure to display any and all intended tags for the game up on release. Either way best of luck

Oh no man, I'm from Russia I agree with you that I should have stated the tag ntr from the beginning, and I knew that there are people who don't like ntr but I didn't know there are people who hate it, and I really didn't expect such an intense reaction from people. But now they know there is ntr and it's avoidable, not skippable, I mean if you don't wanna ntr events happens, they won't, it's your choice, but I see your point, you want to check the whole content and not to get ntr. Honestly, this is the first time I've seen a person like you, because the rest of the people who don't like ntr just make a different choice to avoid it. But everyone has their own tastes and I can't complain or please everyone, so I'm sorry if I was somehow rude to you it's just that this topic about hate ntr really got to me...

 

[drcstack]

It's all good bro, you didn't know. We live and learn. As stated previously it's probably a bit of a culture difference. Something you like or was passionate about was trashed on for reasons you probably don't understand or agree with and it upset you to probably change things from how you originally wanted. You're new in the foreign industry and markets with a foreign audience. I'm sure you're quite aware of it now though. As you said there is no pleasing everybody. We all like what we like and hate what we hate. Didn't know you was from Russia tho.

And yeah I have to see everything when I play. Otherwise it's like missing content that eats away at me to see it if I don't see what this or that choice leads to. Even if I know it's not something good or something I don't want to see. It's practically a OCD, or as I stated before I'm a completionist and have to see everything to be satisfied.

 

[Darth Sidious]

uhm....okay, cool.
Translation : I dont have anything smart or constructive to say, so i talk shit to get my post count higher! GO ME!

it works though, init?

 

[Darth Sidious]

Translation: Take this crap to off-topic. All Devs should protect themselves by any means necessary. It's up to this Dev to do what he wants to do and what he believe is right or wrong, which ever. We're here to talk about the game, not the users that give opinions or to create unnecessary arguments.

There was no argument, just me taking the mickey out of someone No offense meant to the developer.

 

[V&M]

Oh no man, I'm from Russia I agree with you that I should have stated the tag ntr from the beginning, and I knew that there are people who don't like ntr but I didn't know there are people who hate it, and I really didn't expect such an intense reaction from people. But now they know there is ntr and it's avoidable, not skippable, I mean if you don't wanna ntr events happens, they won't, it's your choice, but I see your point, you want to check the whole content and not to get ntr. Honestly, this is the first time I've seen a person like you, because the rest of the people who don't like ntr just make a different choice to avoid it. But everyone has their own tastes and I can't complain or please everyone, so I'm sorry if I was somehow rude to you it's just that this topic about hate ntr really got to me...

Dude, develop your game, do it the way you planned, there will always be someone who doesn't like this, who doesn't like that.
Do not remove content that you would like to be in the game. Likewise, don't add something you wouldn't want to be in your game.
As for NTR, I really hope for him, there are thousands of games out there without him. So, don't feel pressured by some comments asking for this content to be removed.
As for the completionist guy, dude, no offense, there are no trophies on Steam, you won't platinum anything by playing all the routes.
I agree that there are games, where we cannot see all the endings, playing only once, in this case, we would have to play a second or third time. "BUT", when the multiple routes are within the same (or several) fetishes that we like. But in this case, to complete all the scenes, you will see something you don't like. So you only have two options: Or abandon the game, if you insist on being a completionist. Or just play the game, enjoy the route you like, and forget about the other route. Don't sacrifice all the content you might like for something you don't have to play.

 

[demon12]

Its a game don't like something skip it and go on. Don't know why that's so hard for some people.

 

[98167539]

noob question: what is the meaning of "NTR??"

 

[papapa69]

noob question: what is the meaning of "NTR??"

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[Nexus0075]

Passwords are incorrect

 

[oldfart69]

Passwords are incorrect

Read this first. Space gets added when you cut&paste the password

If that doesn't help your question has been answered many time in the thread, use the search function,

 

[MeHome]

It isn't uncommon for RenPy games to trigger a false positive.
There's no virus in this game as far as I can tell.

Thank you for your answer!

 

[04michi]

compressed please, thanks

 

[hrmm]

noob question: what is the meaning of "NTR??"

Abbreviation of a japanese word, netorare. It means the main/POV character gets cuckolded/cheated on. It also technically can refer to netorase (where the MC willingly shares their lover with other people) or netori (the MC is the one stealing someone else's lover), but when people talk about NTR they're generally referring to netorare (or occasionally netorase; there's obviously a difference between the two, but for a lot of NTR haters they're basically the same).

 

[Nexus0075]

Read this first. Space gets added when you cut&paste the password

If that doesn't help your question has been answered many time in the thread, use the search function,

Thx