discussion My issues with incest games nowadays:

[Taro]

I like the more imersive storytelling. MC should take some obstacles to achieve his goal and not just put his dick out.
The road to the first fuck is more interesting then what's come after

It’s exactly like when you’ve done 100 actions and finally got there

 

[Dootz]

I like how you basically posted "man how about them tropes?" and immediately got two "VIP"s calling you a cuck and telling you to touch grass

 

[catman290]

I can reccomend "where the heart is" it does have some of the problems you mention but sex actually feels earned cause depending on your choices you can get locked out of love interests and it takes some episodes before you even get to have sex (I think its in episode 9 and it currently has 24 episodes and the next one is the last one)

i did play where the heart is but it was a long while ago and there wasnt a lot of content.

 

[Loliholic]

I wait for a incest game where the protagonist is one of the sisters.
First manipulating their parents into sending the brother to some military academy, then getting a better pay than the father and making fun of him until he does something stupid like gambling or going to a loan shark and then seducing the sisters...and if she dont looks too old the mother as well ^^

 

[Damnbrown]

So incest games mostly follow these tropes and I'm bored of them:
1) MC is a handsome chap with a horsecock and girls throw themselves at him after some time.
2) The family is fatherless and the MC establishes himself as the man of the house so now every female member must fuck him.
3) There's a doting mother, one nice sister who loves the MC and a mean bitchy sister who's cold/hostile towards him but becomes his bitch later nonetheless.
4) The progress from conversation to teasing to full blown sex is too quick. Often there's no paying any heed to the taboo nature of the relationship.
5) too many love interests. The MC must fuck every female character in sight. Mom's best friend? Fucked. Best friend's mom? Fucked. Sister's friends? Fucked. Sexy nurse/Doctor? Fucked. Female cop? Fucked. Maid? Fucked. The girl at the coffee shop? Fucked. None shall be spared.
6) doll bodies: every girl/woman has a downright supermodel/pornstar body and face. The tits don't droop even when braless! The skin is perfect without any blemishes and what not. No imperfections of any kind.

Is it too much to ask for something new?

I think that follows the principles of the porn industry or every other entertainment industry.

There are very creative people that have an understanding of art and creating unique stories with nuanced characters and maybe even some form of plausability.

And then there are those art products that try to cater to as many people as possible and therefor just copy paste whatever seems to be trendy, established, and well received.

Its not too much to ask for something new;
However you cant ask or expect people to tailor create the perfect experience, unless you pay for it.

So instead, look to those work of art that cater to your needs, support those artists so they can create more for you.
Heck, with the right amount you could even bankroll an entire project of your favorite artist and make sure theres more of that for likeminded people to cherish.

 

[catman290]

The tropes do get old, but not because of what they are. They get old because of what they always fail to do. So when a brother stalks and molests his sisters, they follow the same route:

1. Sneak into your sister's room and maybe touch her, then over time do more to her
2. If she wakes up, you usually have maxed out luck stats and get out before she sees you (nevermind that her clothes are sticky, disturbed or missing)
3. You develop a sexual relationship openly, eventually, so it isn't a big deal anyway

What they always fail to do is give power to the sister, over her brother, when she catches him in the act. Maybe she is twisted herself, so she blackmails him or makes a bet that he can't trick mommy into bed. Maybe he goes all the way one night, she wakes up in the middle of having an orgasm, and it haunts her until she gives into lust. We don't want permanent consequences in our incest game, so there will need to be a twist that wins her over or awakens some dark fetish she always had and now has power over her brother to make him do gross things to/for her. Then it builds into a competition between them. They get more daring and incorporate other family members, or a friend that was studying to become a nun, into their debauchery.

Take the trope of mother and son dinner, turning into a wine drinking fuckfest. Usually, the MC is also boning his sister, but keeping it from his mom, and vice versa. A good variation to add to the trope, is that maybe the wining and dinning is an attempt to butter mommy up so she won't freak out when they confess their relationship. She also feels attracted to her hunk-of-man meat son, so she can't get mad and become a hypocrite. Emotions run high, the wine runs dry, someone says something irredeemable, and suddenly shouting turns into a hardcore threesome. Then daddy walks in, back from his overseas business convention...

I think the tropes are good. I just think all of the unexplored questions, or scenarios that are obvious but always ignored, or the lack of any sexy consequences is what gets tiring.

That was Uthuriel's main point. Complaining about tropes isn't helpful for devs if you aren't offering up your own ideas to add something new. Maybe these scenarios are too dull for some people, or not enough of a change. But I would rather offer up new ideas along with my gripes. Especially since we are in a position where what we say is very likely to be seen by a game Dev.

i like what you wrote.

 

[patinhas]

The tropes do get old, but not because of what they are. They get old because of what they always fail to do. So when a brother stalks and molests his sisters, they follow the same route:

1. Sneak into your sister's room and maybe touch her, then over time do more to her
2. If she wakes up, you usually have maxed out luck stats and get out before she sees you (nevermind that her clothes are sticky, disturbed or missing)
3. You develop a sexual relationship openly, eventually, so it isn't a big deal anyway

What they always fail to do is give power to the sister, over her brother, when she catches him in the act. Maybe she is twisted herself, so she blackmails him or makes a bet that he can't trick mommy into bed. Maybe he goes all the way one night, she wakes up in the middle of having an orgasm, and it haunts her until she gives into lust. We don't want permanent consequences in our incest game, so there will need to be a twist that wins her over or awakens some dark fetish she always had and now has power over her brother to make him do gross things to/for her. Then it builds into a competition between them. They get more daring and incorporate other family members, or a friend that was studying to become a nun, into their debauchery.

Take the trope of mother and son dinner, turning into a wine drinking fuckfest. Usually, the MC is also boning his sister, but keeping it from his mom, and vice versa. A good variation to add to the trope, is that maybe the wining and dinning is an attempt to butter mommy up so she won't freak out when they confess their relationship. She also feels attracted to her hunk-of-man meat son, so she can't get mad and become a hypocrite. Emotions run high, the wine runs dry, someone says something irredeemable, and suddenly shouting turns into a hardcore threesome. Then daddy walks in, back from his overseas business convention...

I think the tropes are good. I just think all of the unexplored questions, or scenarios that are obvious but always ignored, or the lack of any sexy consequences is what gets tiring.

That was Uthuriel's main point. Complaining about tropes isn't helpful for devs if you aren't offering up your own ideas to add something new. Maybe these scenarios are too dull for some people, or not enough of a change. But I would rather offer up new ideas along with my gripes. Especially since we are in a position where what we say is very likely to be seen by a game Dev.

Only Partially. I understand authors use tropes because they work and explore relevant archetypes. However, even if I like steak and chips, I will not going to like if all the restaurants in the street just offer slight variations of that dish. Sometimes I would like to explore different flavors, presentation, spices. If you end up just offering what "worked" you will probably not get a lot of "worst game ever" and for some people your product may even be novel and interesting. However if you do something completely new (say, instead of lowering restriction by an intoxicant, doing it by some other way (e.g. religion, philosophy, education) you will end up with a different game, and different scenarios to explore.
I don't believe the users are required to give the devs the whole plot, but nowadays, even more than before, more diverse variations of know tropes are just a LLM / ChatGPT query away.

 

[alkatraz91]

So incest games mostly follow these tropes and I'm bored of them:
1) MC is a handsome chap with a horsecock and girls throw themselves at him after some time.
2) The family is fatherless and the MC establishes himself as the man of the house so now every female member must fuck him.
3) There's a doting mother, one nice sister who loves the MC and a mean bitchy sister who's cold/hostile towards him but becomes his bitch later nonetheless.
4) The progress from conversation to teasing to full blown sex is too quick. Often there's no paying any heed to the taboo nature of the relationship.
5) too many love interests. The MC must fuck every female character in sight. Mom's best friend? Fucked. Best friend's mom? Fucked. Sister's friends? Fucked. Sexy nurse/Doctor? Fucked. Female cop? Fucked. Maid? Fucked. The girl at the coffee shop? Fucked. None shall be spared.
6) doll bodies: every girl/woman has a downright supermodel/pornstar body and face. The tits don't droop even when braless! The skin is perfect without any blemishes and what not. No imperfections of any kind.

Is it too much to ask for something new?

well yes, i am ok with the MC fucking every girl in sight, but i will like more variety of body etc.. every girl look like a super pornstar model, they are just so much perfect.

 

[ツSisterSexualシ]

There are no unique incest games anymore, it's all copy-paste cliche like stories.
You should try Japanese old classic, there are a bunch of good ones out there, rather than western VN money-sucking bs.

 

[4rcan1st]

List of options for mothers seduction:
1) Wine

sometimes you also need to give them a massage, a skill for which you may have to grind some money first.

 

[IFF01]

So incest games mostly follow these tropes and I'm bored of them:
1) MC is a handsome chap with a horsecock and girls throw themselves at him after some time.
2) The family is fatherless and the MC establishes himself as the man of the house so now every female member must fuck him.
3) There's a doting mother, one nice sister who loves the MC and a mean bitchy sister who's cold/hostile towards him but becomes his bitch later nonetheless.
4) The progress from conversation to teasing to full blown sex is too quick. Often there's no paying any heed to the taboo nature of the relationship.
5) too many love interests. The MC must fuck every female character in sight. Mom's best friend? Fucked. Best friend's mom? Fucked. Sister's friends? Fucked. Sexy nurse/Doctor? Fucked. Female cop? Fucked. Maid? Fucked. The girl at the coffee shop? Fucked. None shall be spared.
6) doll bodies: every girl/woman has a downright supermodel/pornstar body and face. The tits don't droop even when braless! The skin is perfect without any blemishes and what not. No imperfections of any kind.

Is it too much to ask for something new?

I agree with some thing new , but I don't have a problem with your #5 LOL

 

[patinhas]

I agree with some thing new , but I don't have a problem with your #5 LOL

Too many LI, in any kind of game, usually means the dev has prioritized quantity over quality, In most of these cases, the "LI" are in reality just shag-markers, with very little effort spent on making them unique and/or more that a single cardboard cutout of tropes.

 

[IFF01]

Too many LI, in any kind of game, usually means the dev has prioritized quantity over quality, In most of these cases, the "LI" are in reality just shag-markers, with very little effort spent on making them unique and/or more that a single cardboard cutout of tropes.

I like a mixture of quantity and quality which as you say is rare

 

[quarrino]

the saddest thing is that current games take a long time to update their games, when they do update it's just generic

 

[Demiurge299]

So incest games mostly follow these tropes and I'm bored of them:
1) MC is a handsome chap with a horsecock and girls throw themselves at him after some time.
2) The family is fatherless and the MC establishes himself as the man of the house so now every female member must fuck him.
3) There's a doting mother, one nice sister who loves the MC and a mean bitchy sister who's cold/hostile towards him but becomes his bitch later nonetheless.
4) The progress from conversation to teasing to full blown sex is too quick. Often there's no paying any heed to the taboo nature of the relationship.
5) too many love interests. The MC must fuck every female character in sight. Mom's best friend? Fucked. Best friend's mom? Fucked. Sister's friends? Fucked. Sexy nurse/Doctor? Fucked. Female cop? Fucked. Maid? Fucked. The girl at the coffee shop? Fucked. None shall be spared.
6) doll bodies: every girl/woman has a downright supermodel/pornstar body and face. The tits don't droop even when braless! The skin is perfect without any blemishes and what not. No imperfections of any kind.

Is it too much to ask for something new?

3 and 6 are the only ones of those that actively bother me. I'd like more variety in terms of body/personality types, though that's not to say I don't enjoy them occasionally, just less cookie cutter would be cool. as for the rest, I like having an excess of people to bang until it starts really impacting the actual development of the game (if the dev can keep up with the MC trying to conquer the entire fairer sex, who am I to stop them? it leads to more porn in the end). 4 can be sort of annoying, but taking too long for any substantial porn content is an equally large problem imo. 1 and 2 I actively support. the less men beyond the MC involved in the game in any capacity beyond wingman who doesn't get laid, the better. I also wouldn't want to play an ugly or limp dicked MC who cant get laid.

 

[echizen128]

I don't disagree with the OP, but at the same time if a dev struggles with writing, tropes, and originality, I would rather be playing their game with incest than without. Simply because it's a common groundwork - devs have an outline to follow, and I have experiences I can insert into the story where it's lacking. It's like writing in shorthand.

Honestly the whole reason I got started in the incest genre is because the Japanese doujinshi I was into had more believable incest stories than vanilla ones...probably because the authors could draw from their own experiences with siblings (just the relationship, not the sex).

 

[Hynegard]

I mean, that's just porn in general. There's only so much you can do with it, when the core concept is fucking.

 

[cesic187]

my only issue is that they all have same concept behind always same characters, thats why i like 2d games, plus not enough games

 

[misterbee13]

So incest games mostly follow these tropes and I'm bored of them:
1) MC is a handsome chap with a horsecock and girls throw themselves at him after some time.
2) The family is fatherless and the MC establishes himself as the man of the house so now every female member must fuck him.
3) There's a doting mother, one nice sister who loves the MC and a mean bitchy sister who's cold/hostile towards him but becomes his bitch later nonetheless.
4) The progress from conversation to teasing to full blown sex is too quick. Often there's no paying any heed to the taboo nature of the relationship.
5) too many love interests. The MC must fuck every female character in sight. Mom's best friend? Fucked. Best friend's mom? Fucked. Sister's friends? Fucked. Sexy nurse/Doctor? Fucked. Female cop? Fucked. Maid? Fucked. The girl at the coffee shop? Fucked. None shall be spared.
6) doll bodies: every girl/woman has a downright supermodel/pornstar body and face. The tits don't droop even when braless! The skin is perfect without any blemishes and what not. No imperfections of any kind.

Is it too much to ask for something new?

Couldn't agree more. I love the slow burn and having second thoughts about the incest relationship, which is what A Wife and Mother is. But damn that game knows how to give someone major blue balls.

 

[kuraiken]

To me it all boils down to one thing:
A lot of those games lack conflict.

There are no hurdles. No character development. You never wonder if something will or won't happen. Any success is shallow as a puddle.
The stories become preditable, the characters forgettable, the relationships one-dimensional.

And that runs counter to the fetish. Incest games are about the dynamic, either the taboo nature of it and the moral concerns, or about the deep emotional connection that has either been there all along or develops contrary to how their relationship was in the past.
And if a dev can't capture that and just puts two characters on-screen, says they're related, and bang, you get a forgettable sexscene that does not relate to their relationship or the conflict in the story and is completely interchangeable across countless games.

If you wanna do it right? It's gotta be a scene that can only exist in your game as a direct result of the characters, their dynamic, and the overarching story.