discussion Abandoned VN Ren'Py DAZ SUCH A SHARP PAIN [V0.11.7R] [KETZAL]

[Moss]

I can't say whether or not "most" is true, but I can say that I myself am not in that camp. If a game is designed to be a full harem game, that's fine. But if it's designed to have choices diverge and limit LIs for different branches — whether single-LI routes only or not — I'd prefer to have it play that way.

Being neutral on the harem fetish is only a tiny part of my opinion on this. Trying to force a square dick into a round vag because it's the preference of certain players generally lowers the quality of a game overall. To me, that type of thing makes a game become less believable, less impactful, etc. I'd much rather have the game be done as designed, so if that's not the idea with this one I'd much rather ketzal do things as planned.

I can't find my problem in the comments since the latest patch, other than someone else seemingly having the same problem. I last saved at the screen that says: "Thank you for playing SSP 0.7.2R..." When I load that save with 7.3.3R, it says immediately: "Thank you for playing SSP 0.7.3.3R." Something similar happened with my last save, but I just rolled back a few scenes, then clicked forward and it worked. But not this time.

I read a page or two back that Ketzal said this update has no new content for the Harem path, which I think I'm on. Could that be why? I was doubting that was the issue since it had happened before, but I can't seem to get around it this time. The reason I think I'm on the Harem path is that I have the walkthrough enabled and I went that route to keep Cassey and Haley in the picture (instead of the Family path), and I think I might have selected the "wrong" option that would have allowed me to keep Macy alive, but I'm not sure.

By the way, this is actually my #1 favorite VN game. The graphics, story, characters, personalities... it's got it all and I'm hooked.

How can i tell what path I’m on? This last update had no new scenes for me because I’m not on the Macy path, apparently. Hope someone creates a walkthrough for the different paths.

 

[TheSidewinder]

Have to agree about a walkthrough of some kind being made/available/built-in. I thought I was on the full(?) harem path, but Mom died, and I figured that wasn't right for the full harem path. Can't see where I made a bad choice there, though.

 

[BadJM]

I can't find my problem in the comments since the latest patch, other than someone else seemingly having the same problem. I last saved at the screen that says: "Thank you for playing SSP 0.7.2R..." When I load that save with 7.3.3R, it says immediately: "Thank you for playing SSP 0.7.3.3R." Something similar happened with my last save, but I just rolled back a few scenes, then clicked forward and it worked. But not this time.

I read a page or two back that Ketzal said this update has no new content for the Harem path, which I think I'm on. Could that be why? I was doubting that was the issue since it had happened before, but I can't seem to get around it this time. The reason I think I'm on the Harem path is that I have the walkthrough enabled and I went that route to keep Cassey and Haley in the picture (instead of the Family path), and I think I might have selected the "wrong" option that would have allowed me to keep Macy alive, but I'm not sure.

By the way, this is actually my #1 favorite VN game. The graphics, story, characters, personalities... it's got it all and I'm hooked.

This update was for the people that are on the macy path, so if you're on the harem path or in the alice path, you don't get any new scenes.

Have to agree about a walkthrough of some kind being made/available/built-in. I thought I was on the full(?) harem path, but Mom died, and I figured that wasn't right for the full harem path. Can't see where I made a bad choice there, though.

If you're on the harem path and don't want the mom to die you need to not see her at the hospital and she will be alive but she won't show up yet.

How can i tell what path I’m on? This last update had no new scenes for me because I’m not on the Macy path, apparently. Hope someone creates a walkthrough for the different paths.

If you choose the options marked as "family path" you will be on the full harem path with all the girls.

 

[TheSidewinder]

If you're on the harem path and don't want the mom to die you need to not see her at the hospital and she will be alive but she won't show up yet.

Ooooooh. OK, that's where I went wrong.

 

[Vulky]

Dude, give up, the game IS complicated, the players are telling that to you. Too many paths, no clear indications about how to take one or another, some random secret spots, even the name of different paths are confusing. Not a bad game at all, but certanly too confusing into gameplay. Hear the players, not all of them wants just to "see pictures" but to have a clear playthrough.

Too many paths? Absolutely not. There is plenty of games with more paths than SSP or more complicated, yet appreciated.
Secret spots: yes, that could be a problem at first. Maybe there should be a more detailed explanation in the game, that if you don't enable the "Clickable hints" feature in the settings you risk missing a lot of content because the spots are really hard to find.
The complexity of the plot and having to play different paths in my opinion is a good feature, I like to play different paths. I understand there are people that are more into just viewing easily all the sex scenes, but it's just their problem.
One thing that could help everyone is to have a special page, with a tree diagram that shows you if you missed some content or paths and where the branching occurs. A game that utilises this system is Wicked Choices: Book One. Very useful, it really helps a lot, as a player can always check if some content is yet to be seen.

 

[Beduin123]

Too many paths? Absolutely not. There is plenty of games with more paths than SSP or more complicated, yet appreciated.
Secret spots: yes, that could be a problem at first. Maybe there should be a more detailed explanation in the game, that if you don't enable the "Clickable hints" feature in the settings you risk missing a lot of content because the spots are really hard to find.
The complexity of the plot and having to play different paths in my opinion is a good feature, I like to play different paths. I understand there are people that are more into just viewing easily all the sex scenes, but it's just their problem.
One thing that could help everyone is to have a special page, with a tree diagram that shows you if you missed some content or paths and where the branching occurs. A game that utilises this system is Wicked Choices: Book One. Very useful, it really helps a lot, as a player can always check if some content is yet to be seen.

Also this kind of walk-through ingame diagram is implemented in Apocalypse game which has topic similar to SSP and also of good quality. Though SSP is still the best

 

[Hermit76]

There IS already a ingame walkthough.
If you see things like "[Love+]", "[Corruption+]", "[Family Path]" or "[The bonds of blood Path]" - well, that's the walkthrough.
The only thing that I would like to see improved is, if the skipping automatically stopped, when a lense indicates a secret to be found. Of course I don't skip the text in the first run, because the story is even more important to me than the sex scenes. But whenever I try different runs with some different choices, there is often quite a lot known text, which can be skipped after having it read several times. But of course the secrets should not be skipped. But that's actually the only thing that I would like to see changed. Except that, this game is really awesome!
The graphic quality is amazing, the music matches perfectly and it has an impressive level of subtle drama. Especially combined with the prequel @ketzal manages to combine very hot scenes with the drama of

Spoiler: spoiler

repeated incestous manipulations in a family over several generations, how it seems to be passed on to the next generation and how it forms the next generation's character. The MC and his sister Nicole have been "taught" incest by their mother like she and probably her sister has been taught by her father/brother and he has been taught by her mother/grandmother - if I got it right so far. Finally this manipulation over generations tragically results - depending on some choices - in Macy's suicide.

So every update is kind of an impressive, hot drama. Such a quality I have not met yet in a game, neither here nor at a certain other platform.

 

[BadJM]

Yeah I think just having an ingame diagram tree where you can see where the branches in the story happen would reduce the number of people complaining. But at the end of the day if you're one of those people that likes to get everything in just one playthrough, maybe this game is just not for you and you should play something else.

 

[Beduin123]

Yeah I think just having an ingame diagram tree where you can see where the branches in the story happen would reduce the number of people complaining. But at the end of the day if you're one of those people that likes to get everything in just one playthrough, maybe this game is just not for you and you should play something else.

Well, I AM

one of those people that likes to get everything in just one playthrough

but this game is still created right for me. Who are you to judge

 

[BadJM]

Well, I AM

but this game is still created right for me. Who are you to judge

I am not judging just giving an opinion. I usually prefer to have all scenes in just one playthrough as well but I still love this game. I just don't see the point in people coming here complaining about it when the dev already said that he wants his game to have multiple paths and it is not meant for you to be able to see all scenes in one playthrough. I think you would just be better off playing something else if you have an issue with it.

 

[Beduin123]

I am not judging just giving an opinion. I usually prefer to have all scenes in just one playthrough as well but I still love this game. I just don't see the point in people coming here complaining about it when the dev already said that he wants his game to have multiple paths and it is not meant for you to be able to see all scenes in one playthrough. I think you would just be better off playing something else if you have an issue with it.

So, there is no disagreement between us. I don't care about the branching but the branching is not a problem for me. Using the available information I can always get the best outcome. Still I support the idea that the available information is better to be provided in an easy digestive form of a proper walk-through or a diagram.

 

[TheSidewinder]

EDIT: Never mind, apparently I can't read variable names correctly.

 

[BadJM]

So, there is no disagreement between us. I don't care about the branching but the branching is not a problem for me. Using the available information I can always get the best outcome. Still I support the idea that the available information is better to be provided in an easy digestive form of a proper walk-through or a diagram.

Yeah I think the diagram tree is a good idea and as @Vulky suggested, there probably should be a warning at the start of the game about the clickable hints, and maybe a descrition of what the family and blood bonds paths mean since a lot of people get confused about which one is the harem path.

 

[DirtyDemon]

This one is so good, It's totally sucked me in with the story, characters and content, the artwork is awesome too, cannot wait for more updates, same as others here did not choose family path for the harem option, also did not get enough corruption points to unlock a choice at one point in the game, anyone know does just +corruption choices give more corruption points than +love/+corruption?

 

[TheSidewinder]

EDIT: My bad, I must have misread something, somewhere, and thought Family/Harem path would include mom, but no.

 

[User_12]

So that everyone understands, my vision is that the family represents the one MC chooses. The whole game is based on the pain MC feels and the anger he still has towards his mother. So Family Path is the real HAREM but without the mother. It's the game as it was written. It's MC's growth and maturity without his mother, but with memories of her, hence the flashbacks.
The Bonds Of Blood, as the name suggests, are only characters of the same blood as the MC. So not his wife. In BoB there's a way to save Macy, but to do so he'll have to lose the love of his life, his wife.

I hope that's clearer for you.

 

[TheSidewinder]

So Family Path is the real HAREM but without the mother.

OK, now I understand, thank you for clarifying. I had thought she would be part of the Harem path. I must have misread something much earlier in the topic here.

That said.... I see your point about her.

 

[BadJM]

So that everyone understands, my vision is that the family represents the one MC chooses. The whole game is based on the pain MC feels and the anger he still has towards his mother. So Family Path is the real HAREM but without the mother. It's the game as it was written. It's MC's growth and maturity without his mother, but with memories of her, hence the flashbacks.
The Bonds Of Blood, as the name suggests, are only characters of the same blood as the MC. So not his wife. In BoB there's a way to save Macy, but to do so he'll have to lose the love of his life, his wife.

I hope that's clearer for you.

But she still shows up in the family path later if you don't see her at the hospital right?

 

[PerverTeacher]

PETIT PATH?

*run in circles*

 

[User_12]

But she still shows up in the family path later if you don't see her at the hospital right?

Yes, but.... That is too much of a spoiler. But short answer, yes.