discussion Ren'Py DAZ Revelations of Whispering Pines [Chapter 2] [Blackheart Games]

[fallendarkstar]

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As of today, all games are cancelled and no longer in development. Fansly has cancelled my account, and forfeited my money. For 30 days, I was not allowed to discuss or talk about this until they finished with compliance. Anyone who used Fansly, REPORT THEIR actions on the site because I am not aware of them refunding you, or me.

The only game that I will work on is the new one. And since I have no way to support myself for now, it will be a very slow going process.

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is the only way you can support me if you choose too.

I've given everything I've got. Site after site, troubles after troubles. Now, to protect this site, I will remove all other games from this discord.
This discord will be scrubbed, and no more games will be made in the Blackheart universe. I've lost everything, and with the current climate, I'm not sure how to continue. If you feel like supporting me, great. I will be releasing the new game, and ONLY the new game from here on out.

It's been a great 6 years, but it's come to an end. If anyone would like to support us going forward for the new game, I would love that greatly.
If you want to leave the discord now, go for it. I don't blame you, but I hope some of you will decide to stay, support me thru the Fanbox, and see what I can create. The new game is done, but with the Fansly being removed, I had no reasont o release. Anyone who supported me thru the Fansly, I will release the new game to you for free. Anyone else who'd like to support me now, thank you!

It's been a fun ride, and I love you all, but al good things come to an end.

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if you'd like to help me rebuild with a new Identity

Mr Black
<@&801481818351730688>

EDIT: I know the Fanbox isn't set up fully yet, and empty, but I will finish setting up the account today. If you join it, just wanted to let you know I'll have it running soon. You can still support thru it for now though.

 

[jbartendgod]

Well I have to tell you Seath that just like Ozzy and Jerry Garcia this is an end of an era. I loved your games and will miss them terribly. I will still continue to follow where ever you go. You will always have a fan in me!!! God Speed!!!

 

[Nicest_Incest]

From his Discord:



As of today, all games are cancelled and no longer in development. Fansly has cancelled my account, and forfeited my money. For 30 days, I was not allowed to discuss or talk about this until they finished with compliance. Anyone who used Fansly, REPORT THEIR actions on the site because I am not aware of them refunding you, or me.

The only game that I will work on is the new one. And since I have no way to support myself for now, it will be a very slow going process.

You must be registered to see links

is the only way you can support me if you choose too.

I've given everything I've got. Site after site, troubles after troubles. Now, to protect this site, I will remove all other games from this discord.
This discord will be scrubbed, and no more games will be made in the Blackheart universe. I've lost everything, and with the current climate, I'm not sure how to continue. If you feel like supporting me, great. I will be releasing the new game, and ONLY the new game from here on out.

It's been a great 6 years, but it's come to an end. If anyone would like to support us going forward for the new game, I would love that greatly.
If you want to leave the discord now, go for it. I don't blame you, but I hope some of you will decide to stay, support me thru the Fanbox, and see what I can create. The new game is done, but with the Fansly being removed, I had no reasont o release. Anyone who supported me thru the Fansly, I will release the new game to you for free. Anyone else who'd like to support me now, thank you!

It's been a fun ride, and I love you all, but al good things come to an end.

You must be registered to see links

if you'd like to help me rebuild with a new Identity

Mr Black
<@&801481818351730688>

EDIT: I know the Fanbox isn't set up fully yet, and empty, but I will finish setting up the account today. If you join it, just wanted to let you know I'll have it running soon. You can still support thru it for now though.

That doesn't surprise me at all after I realized he pulled the same dumb shit on Fansly as Ketzal did on SS (I facepalmed hard as soon as I saw that even before the last update dropped), put loli AVN (PA2) previews right on his Fansly (it doesn't matter if only the older ones were shown). I really wish loli devs (both current and aspiring) would quit being retarded, stop doing that, and just use the front project to subsidize their loli work that would seemingly be made for free as far as platforms are concerned, and don't even use the same dev name either. Put the boring front AVN on every platform (until they start banning ALL porn at least) and just put the loli stuff here and on A.T.F. only, no other platform at all for that. How can it be that hard? Personally I'd prefer it if he worked on just 2 AVNs: DD and the front. With just the front AVN I don't see it going anywhere, as it doesn't have the kinks people usually sub to BHG for if it's like most Patreon slop. Two are really all that's needed anyway, no need to try to copy Hollywood's tactics and create a whole universe at once, obviously they don't make lolis and have billion-dollar budgets so they can get away with that. But it sounds like he's already given up and quit so I guess that's a bunch of new abandoned tags to add to the pile.

 

[Montimer]

That doesn't surprise me at all after I realized he pulled the same dumb shit on Fansly as Ketzal did on SS (I facepalmed hard as soon as I saw that even before the last update dropped), put loli AVN (RWP) previews right on his Fansly (it doesn't matter if only the older ones were shown). I really wish loli devs (both current and aspiring) would quit being retarded, stop doing that, and just use the front project to subsidize their loli work that would seemingly be made for free as far as platforms are concerned, and don't even use the same dev name either. Put the boring front AVN on every platform (until they start banning ALL porn at least) and just put the loli stuff here and on A.T.F. only, no other platform at all for that. How can it be that hard? Personally I'd prefer it if he worked on just 2 AVNs: DD and the front. With just the front AVN I don't see it going anywhere, as it doesn't have the kinks people usually sub to BHG for if it's like most Patreon slop. Two are really all that's needed anyway, no need to try to copy Hollywood's tactics and create a whole universe at once, obviously they don't make lolis and have billion-dollar budgets so they can get away with that. But it sounds like he's already given up and quit so I guess that's a bunch of new abandoned tags to add to the pile.

My personal experience from working with artists and supporting devs is similar to what you describe.
Immensely talented people, hard workers for most part.
But god damn they often times lack understanding on how to advertise their games, don't understand that marketing the game is half of the battle most of the time. Neither they understand that if people dont actually see the game... you know, existing they cant get support for it.
Also I do understand that he had to turtle up a bit after Subscribestar but cutting communication with very people who are fans of his game, even if some behave in... less desirable and rude way, is not a way to go.

On top of the fact that he could 100% make a new substar if he has another bank ID to use. Best case? Substar doesn't care and just lets Seath do his thing with the vanilla game in front. Worst case, they close it down due to it being a duplicate account if they have full information on him.
All it takes it cloaking the game and not linking it. Having alternate means for downloads. Making PATCHES that are totally made by a fan which add the actual content into the game.

And of course, not making FIVE GAMES AT A SAME TIME. With speed of Seath's projects, he could've finished these projects one after the another. Yes, yes. It's smart to diversify your assets but thinning yourself to such a degree is a disaster brewing.

 

[BadJM]

That doesn't surprise me at all after I realized he pulled the same dumb shit on Fansly as Ketzal did on SS (I facepalmed hard as soon as I saw that even before the last update dropped), put loli AVN (RWP) previews right on his Fansly (it doesn't matter if only the older ones were shown). I really wish loli devs (both current and aspiring) would quit being retarded, stop doing that, and just use the front project to subsidize their loli work that would seemingly be made for free as far as platforms are concerned, and don't even use the same dev name either. Put the boring front AVN on every platform (until they start banning ALL porn at least) and just put the loli stuff here and on A.T.F. only, no other platform at all for that. How can it be that hard? Personally I'd prefer it if he worked on just 2 AVNs: DD and the front. With just the front AVN I don't see it going anywhere, as it doesn't have the kinks people usually sub to BHG for if it's like most Patreon slop. Two are really all that's needed anyway, no need to try to copy Hollywood's tactics and create a whole universe at once, obviously they don't make lolis and have billion-dollar budgets so they can get away with that. But it sounds like he's already given up and quit so I guess that's a bunch of new abandoned tags to add to the pile.

Yea the problem with seath is that he always waited for shit to happen instead of being proactive and trying to protect his games more. I think he even did a poll on discord asking if people wanted the new game first or DD and of course DD won, but since he already lost his SS the priority should've been to have the front game be out as soon as possible and like you mentioned not posting the problematic games on fansly. Even if they don't have the problematic characters it is a really dumb idea to have it there.

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My personal experience from working with artists and supporting devs is similar to what you describe.
Immensely talented people, hard workers for most part.
But god damn they often times lack understanding on how to advertise their games, don't understand that marketing the game is half of the battle most of the time. Neither they understand that if people dont actually see the game... you know, existing they cant get support for it.
Also I do understand that he had to turtle up a bit after Subscribestar but cutting communication with very people who are fans of his game, even if some behave in... less desirable and rude way, is not a way to go.

On top of the fact that he could 100% make a new substar if he has another bank ID to use. Best case? Substar doesn't care and just lets Seath do his thing with the vanilla game in front. Worst case, they close it down due to it being a duplicate account if they have full information on him.
All it takes it cloaking the game and not linking it. Having alternate means for downloads. Making PATCHES that are totally made by a fan which add the actual content into the game.

And of course, not making FIVE GAMES AT A SAME TIME. With speed of Seath's projects, he could've finished these projects one after the another. Yes, yes. It's smart to diversify your assets but thinning yourself to such a degree is a disaster brewing.

The patch thing was something I mentioned on their server when I was still there. I always said that even on SS they should have all the loli stuff in a patch because it was just a matter of time until SS started cracking down on those types of games, but at the time the response I got was that it would be too much work.
Also, as much as I love all the games, working on 5 games at the same time is not a good idea.

 

[Montimer]

The patch thing was something I mentioned on their server when I was still there. I always said that even on SS they should have all the loli stuff in a patch because it was just a matter of time until SS started cracking down on those types of games, but at the time the response I got was that it would be too much work.
Also, as much as I love all the games, working on 5 games at the same time is not a good idea.

It would be lot of work for sure. But... not as much if you think about it. if he downsized it to 2 games, patching it wouldn't be nearly as bad.
SS wouldn't care if the game didn't have any content like that included. It's literally how Friends In need operates for example.
A vanilla-ish game that has a patch integrated for turbo rape abuse content. Except the dev gets away with it because he has patreon for the vanilla version and substar for darker version. BUT he keeps the dark version patch as a "fanmade" patch.
As long as the patch isnt hosted on substar, substar doesn't care.

 

[BadJM]

It would be lot of work for sure. But... not as much if you think about it. if he downsized it to 2 games, patching it wouldn't be nearly as bad.
SS wouldn't care if the game didn't have any content like that included. It's literally how Friends In need operates for example.
A vanilla-ish game that has a patch integrated for turbo rape abuse content. Except the dev gets away with it because he has patreon for the vanilla version and substar for darker version. BUT he keeps the dark version patch as a "fanmade" patch.
As long as the patch isnt hosted on substar, substar doesn't care.

Yea... the first time the SS page got shadowbanned should've been a wake up to make some drastic changes but for some reason devs always ignore the obvious warnings.

 

[canis54]

Too bad. I liked Seaths games, when I could keep the characters and the story straight. They are complicated stories and they must take a lot of time to make any progress. I could see how he was trying to get something for all his time and hard work but, this is apparently the nature of the game....Sucks though. Hopefully he starts anew with a new name and strategy and has better success in the future.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

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I'm sure I'm not the only one that told him to use 2 different dev names, 1 new one for the front and BHG for the lolis, as people seldom listen to just my suggestions. So we can hold off on his AVN toe tags for now (prob the usual 18-month rule still applies).

 

[yoyomistro]

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I'm sure I'm not the only one that told him to use 2 different dev names, 1 new one for the front and BHG for the lolis, as people seldom listen to just my suggestions. So we can hold off on his AVN toe tags for now (prob the usual 18-month rule still applies).

Thanks for sharing. I don't dare go in his discord, lol. I could set up another account and use it on my second PC only with VPN, but that's too much work just to see his posts.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Thanks for sharing. I don't dare go in his discord, lol. I could set up another account and use it on my second PC only with VPN, but that's too much work just to see his posts.

I don't really use Discord in general besides loli AVN devs as I quit MMOs over a decade ago (FF14 was my last) so if it's banned I will just make another and resub to the still-active channels which most now aren't anyway (they either quit or died).

 

[MassBan]

I will never understand how it's so hard to comprehend using fronts that are ENTIRELY separate from the "actual" content that would be frowned upon...

The fucking mob and cartels have done it for a hundred years, why is it impossible for loli devs to take a play outta their book? *facepalm*

 

[Nicest_Incest]

I will never understand how it's so hard to comprehend using fronts that are ENTIRELY separate from the "actual" content that would be frowned upon...

The fucking mob and cartels have done it for a hundred years, why is it impossible for loli devs to take a play outta their book? *facepalm*

Pretty much what I've been saying since 2018 when Patreon starting bitching about AVN content. I mean Seath writes about the Mafia, why can't he take a few pages from this fictional playbook and apply them to real life? Or at least to the finance of his AVN business/day job.

 

[fallendarkstar]

Newest update:
So... my Fanbox got banned. Hahaha... less then 4 days and it's gone. Thanks to whoever is mass reporting me.
No worries to those who supported me on there. I did get those funds. Fanbox didn't keep it like Fansly did. So.. going forwards...

This is my last try. I am creating a website. Almost done with it. This will keep the fcking loser in here from reporting my shit. Also have a payment system set up with an anon site so they can't report that payment site either.

To access my site, you will need to support, and then you'll get a password. With that password, you can log in and there you can get my games, and products.
To those who paid me on Fanbox and Fansly this last month, I'll give you free excess for the next month.
I'll drop a link in here soon for you guys ot go over there and log in and such. Nothing will be on the site as of now, but I am just setting it up to work today. Tomorrow, I'll set the rest of it to make it look like the gaming site it'll be for Blackheart games.
For those who'd rather pay me directly, I will give only those I trust excess to my stripe. Onjly those I know who won't report me. People I trust and have talked ot in here for years.
Seath
<@&801481818351730688>

He's not giving up yet!

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Newest update:
So... my Fanbox got banned. Hahaha... less then 4 days and it's gone. Thanks to whoever is mass reporting me.
No worries to those who supported me on there. I did get those funds. Fanbox didn't keep it like Fansly did. So.. going forwards...

This is my last try. I am creating a website. Almost done with it. This will keep the fcking loser in here from reporting my shit. Also have a payment system set up with an anon site so they can't report that payment site either.

To access my site, you will need to support, and then you'll get a password. With that password, you can log in and there you can get my games, and products.
To those who paid me on Fanbox and Fansly this last month, I'll give you free excess for the next month.
I'll drop a link in here soon for you guys ot go over there and log in and such. Nothing will be on the site as of now, but I am just setting it up to work today. Tomorrow, I'll set the rest of it to make it look like the gaming site it'll be for Blackheart games.
For those who'd rather pay me directly, I will give only those I trust excess to my stripe. Onjly those I know who won't report me. People I trust and have talked ot in here for years.
Seath
<@&801481818351730688>

He's not giving up yet!

Thing is last I heard even the new site he made himself doesn't allow lolis due to having a shit host. Why he didn't simply get the same host Lewdcorner has if not self-host I have no idea, other than he simply didn't have the money for that and went cheap as possible (plenty of TOR hosts ask no questions at all no matter what you post as long as you pay them in crypto). Currently the (rather bad) plan is you wil have to sub on his site that will only have a boring cover project (a short AVN about one of the adult TLG characters, I forgot which one won the poll) just for front purposes. For the loli AVNs you will still have to go to his Discord for the links. Anyone wanna take bets on how long that will last before his Discord is banned (again) along with all of his users? I say not even a month after new links are added, since it already has at least 1 mole in it so I'm wondering why that hasn't happened already.

Might as well focus on getting a better host that doesn't give a fuck what you do even if it costs more and then he's free to put whatever on that, no cover necessary. or at least go to Stoat until they eventually bend a knee to Collective Karen as well. For real security use Telegram, make a few BHG chat groups for each sub tier to join on that, use that to send them loli links, done. They even have actual ped0 chat groups and groups to learn how to drug rape someone and get away with it with some even posting brag videos of their exploits putting said methods into practice, so apparently no one is in charge or around to ban anyone, or at least none that that gives 2 fucks what people do (rightfully so since they can't be held legally responsible for the actions of site users, at least as long as they are not pimps thanks to that stupid Backpage amendment to sec 230) and they can't see it anyway since it's encrypted to even admins for plausible deniability anyway (not sure why something similar wasn't set up for the P5 AI section here before lolis were purged out of it, no legal liability if you can't see or moderate it).

 

[yoyomistro]

Thing is last I heard even the new site he made himself doesn't allow lolis due to having a shit host. Why he didn't simply get the same host Lewdcorner has if not self-host I have no idea, other than he simply didn't have the money for that and went cheap as possible (plenty of TOR hosts ask no questions at all no matter what you post as long as you pay them in crypto). Currently the (rather bad) plan is you wil have to sub on his site that will only have a boring cover project (a short AVN about one of the adult TLG characters, I forgot which one won the poll) just for front purposes. For the loli AVNs you will still have to go to his Discord for the links. Anyone wanna take bets on how long that will last before his Discord is banned (again) along with all of his users? I say not even a month after new links are added, since it already has at least 1 mole in it so I'm wondering why that hasn't happened already.

Might as well focus on getting a better host that doesn't give a fuck what you do even if it costs more and then he's free to put whatever on that, no cover necessary. or at least go to Stoat until they eventually bend a knee to Collective Karen as well. For real security use Telegram, make a few BHG chat groups for each sub tier to join on that, use that to send them loli links, done. They even have actual ped0 chat groups and groups to learn how to drug rape someone and get away with it with some even posting brag videos of their exploits putting said methods into practice, so apparently no one is in charge or around to ban anyone, or at least none that that gives 2 fucks what people do (rightfully so since they can't be held legally responsible for the actions of site users, at least as long as they are not pimps thanks to that stupid Backpage amendment to sec 230) and they can't see it anyway since it's encrypted to even admins for plausible deniability anyway (not sure something similar wasn't set up for the P5 AI section here before lolis were purged out of it, no legal liability if you can't see or moderate it).

We'll see how long section 230 lasts as written. Our last hope was the Supreme Court, and they just upheld ID requirements for porn sites. Unfortunately normies having easy access to the Internet has been the worst thing for free speech. They bring money, but they also bring their normie bullshit. Sure, we still have some hard-to-access methods of doing things online, but the payment processors are all coopted now, there are no laissez-faire credit card processors like back in the day. IDK if it's impossible, but why aren't there CC processors that just don't operate in censorial countries? I guess the banks just would choose not to work with them or something? If so, why not just make preloading cards and only sell them in countries where there's free speech?

Also quoting @Nicest_Incest is not an endorsement of the IRL stuff mentioned in his post, lol. That shit's wild. We just need space for fiction to exist without all the bullshit coming down the pike.

I wonder if SS is still working on their "point" scheme? If mainstream gaming companies can use them to get around gambling laws for lootboxes in-game, why wouldn't it work for the credit card processor bullshit? I mean, they're supposedly only doing it to adhere to laws in different countries, but they'll still take money for lootbox tokens... Fortunately we have ironclad constitutional speech protections in the US, but they're getting pushed up against every day. We survived the Postal video game panic, the Rapelay panic, will AVNs and PornTube sites do us in, lol?

Also, was his fanbox blocked, or do you need to log in to see it?

 

[Nicest_Incest]

We'll see how long section 230 lasts as written. Our last hope was the Supreme Court, and they just upheld ID requirements for porn sites. Unfortunately normies having easy access to the Internet has been the worst thing for free speech. They bring money, but they also bring their normie bullshit. Sure, we still have some hard-to-access methods of doing things online, but the payment processors are all coopted now, there are no laissez-faire credit card processors like back in the day. IDK if it's impossible, but why aren't there CC processors that just don't operate in censorial countries? I guess the banks just would choose not to work with them or something? If so, why not just make preloading cards and only sell them in countries where there's free speech?

Also quoting @Nicest_Incest is not an endorsement of the IRL stuff mentioned in his post, lol. That shit's wild. We just need space for fiction to exist without all the bullshit coming down the pike.

I wonder if SS is still working on their "point" scheme? If mainstream gaming companies can use them to get around gambling laws for lootboxes in-game, why wouldn't it work for the credit card processor bullshit? I mean, they're supposedly only doing it to adhere to laws in different countries, but they'll still take money for lootbox tokens... Fortunately we have ironclad constitutional speech protections in the US, but they're getting pushed up against every day. We survived the Postal video game panic, the Rapelay panic, will AVNs and PornTube sites do us in, lol?

Also, was his fanbox blocked, or do you need to log in to see it?

Fanbox was banned 4 days after opening it, so there's a mole in his Discord snitching to whoever will listen, so Discord is probably on borrowed time as well (hence my suggestion of the Telegram solution).

 

[tyktamsyl]

I feel like there's a way to find the mole, I just have no idea what theyre doing. How do we know there's a mole? I mean what have they been doing specifically, can bhg get evidence of these reports?

I'm assuming someone is sending in reports, and then the people in charge are talking to bhg, but can they request to see what was sent to them? Or no?

Maybe it doesn't even work like that, I'm just trying to figure out what is happening.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

I feel like there's a way to find the mole, I just have no idea what theyre doing. How do we know there's a mole? I mean what have they been doing specifically, can bhg get evidence of these reports?

I'm assuming someone is sending in reports, and then the people in charge are talking to bhg, but can they request to see what was sent to them? Or no?

Maybe it doesn't even work like that, I'm just trying to figure out what is happening.

Snitches get killed all the time when they are outed. Generally platforms will not even talk to you, they simply ban you and be done with it with no reasons given (they don't need to give reasons and morons still generally agree to that without even reading the TOS) unless you get lawyers involved and it's legally forced out of them in discovery meetings, but even then they will probably redact snitches' identities. My solution was to just hunt down and kill every one of his subs in Discord one by one to be sure the roaches were exterminated as well and just accept the collateral damage, but I guess that got a no vote.

 

[jbartendgod]

Snitches get killed all the time when they are outed. Generally platforms will not even talk to you, they simply ban you and be done with it with no reasons given (they don't need to give reasons and morons still generally agree to that without even reading the TOS) unless you get lawyers involved and it's legally forced out of them in discovery meetings, but even then they will probably redact snitches' identities. My solution was to just hunt down and kill every one of his subs in Discord one by one to be sure the roaches were exterminated as well and just accept the collateral damage, but I guess that got a no vote.

Hey, what's with the murderous intentions. I'm on his Discord and I know I didn't snitch. Why so bellicose? JK I'm just in a silly mood