discussion Why are true Netori games so rare?

[Name001234]

Some games do have random married women that you capture, but that’s not quite what I’m referring to. Unfortunately, most, if not all, of these games tend to shift towards a more love/romance-oriented path by the end.

What I’m looking for is something that has the intensity of a true NTR game, but with the male protagonist assuming the role of the 'bull' and breaking up(and breaking down ) multiple other couples. While this theme can be found in some Corruption-y games, the reverse NTR/cucking aspect of the relationship is almost never explored.

I feel like this is because most people dislike NTR, but idk, I hope there's some that I'm just overlooking because I'm dumb

 

[ashea]

I would like to know the answer to this as well it seems very rare. https://lewdcorner.com/threads/grandmas-house-part-5-v0-76-moonbox.7/ has a bit of it with some side girls but I have yet to find a game really focused on it

 

[goons]

Yeah, considering all the NTR stuff why can't they just let us play from the big dicked bustards POV

 

[AlBetGam]

I'm not really sure why, but my first guess would be that the surging popularity of NTR games is basically a reflection of many mens' paranoia about getting cheated on in real life. It's an insecurity that a lot of guys have (justifiably or not) and for some percentage of them it turns into a fetish for the thing they're afraid is happening/might happen to them for real. So netori isn't as popular because it's not being driven by the same psychological mechanisms as NTR.

That's my theory anyway, I'm not a sociologist.

(My other theory is that netori just loses the segment of the playerbase that insists every love interest be a pristine virgin until the MC deflowers her.)

Anyway, the game itself isn't focused on it, but there's at least one very intense netori scene in New Antioch (great game all around).

 

[MicoJive]

I would guess because the people looking for that kind of game would be a pretty small niche.

The harem crowd, or MC + several LI's tend to freak out if any girl is seen with another dude let alone LI's, and its hard to "Steal" a GF without showing some sort of relationship in progress.

The NTR fans usually want what NTR is, where a MC gets his girl/girls stolen, they want that humiliation thing.

There of course people who like both, but I cant imagine that group of people would be THAT many compared to just going one or the other.

 

[Lort]

I think people dislike NTR because the MC (you) isn't part of the sex events or because the game had manage to build in you some attachment to the girl and people generally don't really want to share, specially when they don't ask for permission. Netori on the other hand the MC is always in the action and people don't usually give a fuck about those random male npcs so it doesn't actually pass the sense of an NTR and people would gladly play it just like any other harem game. Now for why there aren't many games with netori i don't really know myself, maybe breaking up couples is just not a compelling theme? Or at the very least the devs don't think it is.

 

[Name001234]

(My other theory is that netori just loses the segment of the playerbase that insists every love interest be a pristine virgin until the MC deflowers her.)

The harem crowd, or MC + several LI's tend to freak out if any girl is seen with another dude let alone LI's, and its hard to "Steal" a GF without showing some sort of relationship in progress.

Damn that's a sad life those people lead, experience is always better. Tbh that's another pet peeve of mine, it's not a true harem until you've got LI's from different paths of life. Harem games with 4 'different' versions of basically the same girl(but hey, their hair colors are different) are so dumb

 

[HandholdDegen]

I think Netori has an issue with defining who their base is.

1) Stealing someone else's partner won't appeal to people who don't like 'used good's, so that group is gone.
2) Stealing someone else's partner won't appeal to people who don't want to play as a homewrecker, so that group is gone.
3) Stealing someone else's partner won't appeal to people who don't identify with that level of sexual confidence (i.e. cucks), so that group is gone
4) Usually Netori protagonists are ugly or assholes which makes them not enjoyable to project to for some players, so that group is gone
5) Usually Netori "love interests" are women who are easily seduced, meaning they are not loyal at all. So basically it is just pump and dump, or you end up with a disloyal woman. That's not really a prize.
6) Usually Netori plots are really monotone and boring. Almost always bored housewife with useless husband. It's not really a conquest, but more a freebie. There's no challenge to overcome.

Basically, I think Netori fails because you need a very specific kink and no problems with the drawbacks of such a dynamic.

 

[User_26836]

Devs generally want the biggest audience possible, even within their own niche. Netori is just not as popular as Netorare as far as I can tell. Another factor is that even when building a harem, people generally want the women to become theirs, many people are turned off by the idea of letting someone stay as someone else's partner while having sex with them occasionally.

 

[Boberson1234]

There are more games out there like that just mislabeled NTR due to the debate around this topic on all forums basically.

 

[User_3471]

Why are they so rare? I don’t think they are rare at all. The problem is that NTR in all of its various states are a matter of one’s belief in what the concept truly is. What you consider Netori, the next guy may see as NTR in its most far right definition. Personally I think people are just so polarized by the concept that they fail to see how much of a double standard they hold. On the one hand they lose their minds because a game depicts the act of a person stealing/cheating on another persons life partner, yet they are perfectly ok with a game that depicts a 40 year old man sticking his dick in a prepubescent child’s pussy! People need to get a grip because I guarantee that in real life that same person that hates NTR, is more likely to cheat on his/her partner than the person who gets into the concept but is faithful to the end. Why, because men are frigging dogs. We think we can take what we want but heaven forbid someone try to take it from us.

 

[albio]

I think Netori has an issue with defining who their base is.

1) Stealing someone else's partner won't appeal to people who don't like 'used good's, so that group is gone.
2) Stealing someone else's partner won't appeal to people who don't want to play as a homewrecker, so that group is gone.
3) Stealing someone else's partner won't appeal to people who don't identify with that level of sexual confidence (i.e. cucks), so that group is gone
4) Usually Netori protagonists are ugly or assholes which makes them not enjoyable to project to for some players, so that group is gone
5) Usually Netori "love interests" are women who are easily seduced, meaning they are not loyal at all. So basically it is just pump and dump, or you end up with a disloyal woman. That's not really a prize.
6) Usually Netori plots are really monotone and boring. Almost always bored housewife with useless husband. It's not really a conquest, but more a freebie. There's no challenge to overcome.

Basically, I think Netori fails because you need a very specific kink and no problems with the drawbacks of such a dynamic.

1) fine by me
2) fine by me
3) fine by me
4) almost every netori focused game i've seen doesnt have an ugly protag
5) the good netori games are the ones where heroines need more persuading/seducing/pressuring etc. that's what makes them interesting, i agree with you there
6) refer to point 5

I feel like netori is a pretty widely appreciated kink, all in all, it just isn't the focus of a lot of games.

 

[HandholdDegen]

1) fine by me
2) fine by me
3) fine by me
4) almost every netori focused game i've seen doesnt have an ugly protag
5) the good netori games are the ones where heroines need more persuading/seducing/pressuring etc. that's what makes them interesting, i agree with you there
6) refer to point 5

I feel like netori is a pretty widely appreciated kink, all in all, it just isn't the focus of a lot of games.

The question was about Netori-focused games, though. Not games that has (maybe optional) Netori in it.
I think there is a huge difference between harem games where one of the hundreds of women is a married woman that you steal, and a game that is entirely about stealing away one or two married women. And of those that fall into the latter, they commonly to follow what I brought up before.
Also, to your point of "the good netori games". That's not a category. That's a subjective pool that only you yourself can put games into.

 

[distortioneye]

I'm curious what kind of games people consider to be "good netori games". I know NTR Legend is pretty big and paved the way similar type games. But imo the netori (stealing) part isn't wasn't like a huge thing even in those games.

I think the problem with "netori" games is that it's a fetish for people who wants to pursue someone who already has a partner, which I guess is niche. For instance, if you take your "good netori games" and remove the husband/boyfriend/cuck, is the game still appealing? I'd wager that the existance of the cuck isn't really that important (they're background characters 90% of the time). Also those games literally have like no writing (or it's ass).

Do you consider female perspective games where the boyfriend is cucked by just one person to be an netorare or netori game? In a lot of female perspective ntr games, the boyfriend/husband is also like a non-character. Usually you also get the perspective of the bull if it's singular.

 

[albio]

The question was about Netori-focused games, though. Not games that has (maybe optional) Netori in it.
I think there is a huge difference between harem games where one of the hundreds of women is a married woman that you steal, and a game that is entirely about stealing away one or two married women. And of those that fall into the latter, they commonly to follow what I brought up before.
Also, to your point of "the good netori games". That's not a category. That's a subjective pool that only you yourself can put games into.

I was talking about netori focused games though? My final comment was talking about adult games in general.
Also you are correct, "good netori games" is my opinion, your comment was also about your opinion on the genre, i was just offering my own. I don't really see your point there.

 

[Name001234]

Do you consider female perspective games where the boyfriend is cucked by just one person to be an netorare or netori game? In a lot of female perspective ntr games, the boyfriend/husband is also like a non-character.

In my opinion it is Netori if the POV character is the one doing the homewreaking, and netorare if the POV character sees their love interest getting stolen away, or gets corrupted into cheating on their LI.

Usually you also get the perspective of the bull if it's singular.

Bull perspective might make it Netori, but then that also brings up the argument if it's a female protag or male protag game.

I think there is a huge difference between harem games where one of the hundreds of women is a married woman that you steal, and a game that is entirely about stealing away one or two married women. And of those that fall into the latter, they commonly to follow what I brought up before.

This is a really good way of putting it. It's basically a niche intersection of multiple kinks that most people don't enjoy. Personally, I still feel like that group should be larger than the NTR enjoyers, but yeah definitely something that most 'normal' people won't be into.

 

[AlBetGam]

4) Usually Netori protagonists are ugly or assholes which makes them not enjoyable to project to for some players, so that group is gone
5) Usually Netori "love interests" are women who are easily seduced, meaning they are not loyal at all. So basically it is just pump and dump, or you end up with a disloyal woman. That's not really a prize.
6) Usually Netori plots are really monotone and boring. Almost always bored housewife with useless husband. It's not really a conquest, but more a freebie. There's no challenge to overcome.

Basically, I think Netori fails because you need a very specific kink and no problems with the drawbacks of such a dynamic.

I don't think any of these are inherent to the genre. Actually, if anything this seems more like the description of a cliche NTR game, just with the protagonist switched.

But aside from that:

1. While I don't know of a whole lot of netori games, I can't really think of any where the protagonist is particularly ugly or more of a jerk than your standard VN protagonist (cause honestly almost all these guys are jerks on some level).

2. "Easily seduced women" also applies to basically every AVN. I mean, half the games out here take like 10 updates to cover 5 days of game time, and players start grumbling if there isn't full vaginal penetration by update 3.

3. I genuinely can't think of a major porn game genre that doesn't fall back on the same 2-3 plots. Like, filter for NTR and take a shot for every game with a description of "you're away on a business trip getting text messages from your wife about how you're being cucked". Being trite and repetitive obviously isn't an obstacle to popularity on its own.

 

[Loliholic]

I'm not into netori...
I dont want used cumdumps, no matter if i play a male or female protagonist.
And lesbian protagonists dont need to ruin lesbian relationships, these are better for threesomes, sharing and orgies.

 

[Name001234]

I'm not into netori...
I dont want used cumdumps, no matter if i play a male or female protagonist.
And lesbian protagonists dont need to ruin lesbian relationships, these are better for threesomes, sharing and orgies.

And that's valid. I can understand that viewpoint, even if I think that LIs that have zero experience but turn into literal pornstars once you conquer them is stupid and I'm tired of that trope. I understand I go a little bit too extreme in the completely wrong direction as there's definitely a lot of demand for straight up NTR, but IMO most people should be closer to somewhere in the middle.

I just doubt that people who think like you are that much of a majority that it's forcing devs to not even touch the genre.

 

[fthegovernment]

Some games do have random married women that you capture, but that’s not quite what I’m referring to. Unfortunately, most, if not all, of these games tend to shift towards a more love/romance-oriented path by the end.

What I’m looking for is something that has the intensity of a true NTR game, but with the male protagonist assuming the role of the 'bull' and breaking up(and breaking down ) multiple other couples. While this theme can be found in some Corruption-y games, the reverse NTR/cucking aspect of the relationship is almost never explored.

I feel like this is because most people dislike NTR, but idk, I hope there's some that I'm just overlooking because I'm dumb

the real answer is:

ntr games are for "

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" so everyone that asks for ntr games is a cuck & there is not too many to be making games for.