discussion Whats With The Hate? (LC/F95/A.T.F.)?

[Freyr]

Not sure why there's animosity between these major sites. I'm guessing it's because of a moral superiority thing... LC seems to be the middle ground. A.T.F. "goes there" if you know what I mean and Fuck95 seems to think they have the moral high ground. Funny thing is, I think if one falls the other two will probably be the new target. Anyway, I think we should support all three - on the down low of course - we don't want to give anyone the satisfaction Be interesting to hear the history behind it all if anyone want's to weave a story.

The issue with F_95 is Rule 7, which aims to ban clearly underage characters.

This in itself is fair enough in my opinion. Having clearly underage characters on your site is clearly dangerous for a number of reasons that anyone can hopefully understand.
F_95 is a big site and having it go down would be a real pity for the entire adult gaming community.

At the same time, the definition and interpretation of this Rule 7 is quite vague, and this has led to various painful situations and angry supporters of certain devs.
But it's not that loli is banned outright, it just needs to be justifiable. Jailbait is an actual thing for good reasons...

This site on the other hand was created to offer a place with less censorship for devs and games which were no longer welcome on other sites.
But it has been a struggle for Heisenberg to keep the place afloat.

 

[Sural Argonus]

The issue with F_95 is Rule 7, which aims to ban clearly underage characters.

This in itself is fair enough in my opinion. Having clearly underage characters on your site is clearly dangerous for a number of reasons that anyone can hopefully understand.
F_95 is a big site and having it go down would be a real pity for the entire adult gaming community.

At the same time, the definition and interpretation of this Rule 7 is quite vague, and this has led to various painful situations and angry supporters of certain devs.
But it's not that loli is banned outright, it just needs to be justifiable. Jailbait is an actual thing for good reasons...

This site on the other hand was created to offer a place with less censorship for devs and games which were no longer welcome on other sites.
But it has been a struggle for Heisenberg to keep the place afloat.

The inconsistency of their "Moderation" team is what kills that site for me, to be honest. You have one mod who threaten you over minor things, while others couldn't give 2 shits about the minor things, or even pretend to stand up against the more...zealous shall we say...members of the moderation team.

 

[User_109578]

If you don't care for monetezation, all you have to be cautious about are lolis on F.95.zone. Their Rule7 says "no prepubescent character(s)", which means they aren't allowed to look like actual children and the ages have to be over 14 too.
So as longs as they have small boobs, pubes and/or any waist/hip ratio that isn't a child one, it has a chance to be allowed there. 3D is viewed much more strictly then cartoon/anime. Some older games like Babysitting Cream getting more leeway because they are old (I think it's from before 2006) and kinda cult games, that it's also a furry game certainly helps.
Shota games are more difficult to judge, because unlike lolis, you can't use boobs as an indicator, that's why those seem to get more leeway too.

Having a game with a loli-patch (or better two different versions) is not an issue on F.95.zone. It's allowed as long as the patch is not shared or talked about over there.
However, the problem is, that users can't keep quiet and WILL talk about it, as long as discissions about the loli stuff are only superficially, it is not a problem either.
But users will ask about the different versions and they will start to share links or sites where to find it, which both is against their rules. This will cause clean ups from the mods and if the users can't behave, which they often don't. the mods have to lock up the thread. Those kind of actions are always the fault of users, because they have to "talk about the fight club".

Proud Father had a loli patch and was allowed because of that. First he was banned for a long time because of Rule7, then he started to use patches and was allowed again. Mods and staff were fine with it, but had to delete shared loli-patches all the time.
But after some updates Westy fucked up every single F.95-version, they either were extremly buggy and full of game breaking errors or remnamds of the loli stuff where still in there. People had to use the loli-patch for the game to work at all and after a while he even stopped making those patches and for a short time the full loli-version was on F.95 until the staff had to take the game down again. That was not long before he got busted in Australia.

Other games try to "sneak in" younger characters after they got approved, like in Such a sharp pain (with the I think 8 year old?), but sooner or later that gets reported and the game removed.

Currently new loli games have a harder time getting accepted over there, but it's still possible, just check their latest updates and search for 'loli' you'll find some games made with DAZ or Koikatsu/Honey Select 2 over there that are from this year.
If you are unsure, you should contact one of the mods Lerd0, Bob69 or BaasB. I know those three upload non Rule7 breaking loli stuff all the time.

I would suggest Neko Paradise did it okay with the added DLC. Except of course too early, and too buggy...

 

[LewisCarroll]

If you don't care for monetezation, all you have to be cautious about are lolis on F.95.zone. Their Rule7 says "no prepubescent character(s)", which means they aren't allowed to look like actual children and the ages have to be over 14 too.
So as longs as they have small boobs, pubes and/or any waist/hip ratio that isn't a child one, it has a chance to be allowed there. 3D is viewed much more strictly then cartoon/anime. Some older games like Babysitting Cream getting more leeway because they are old (I think it's from before 2006) and kinda cult games, that it's also a furry game certainly helps.
Shota games are more difficult to judge, because unlike lolis, you can't use boobs as an indicator, that's why those seem to get more leeway too.

Having a game with a loli-patch (or better two different versions) is not an issue on F.95.zone. It's allowed as long as the patch is not shared or talked about over there.
However, the problem is, that users can't keep quiet and WILL talk about it, as long as discissions about the loli stuff are only superficially, it is not a problem either.
But users will ask about the different versions and they will start to share links or sites where to find it, which both is against their rules. This will cause clean ups from the mods and if the users can't behave, which they often don't. the mods have to lock up the thread. Those kind of actions are always the fault of users, because they have to "talk about the fight club".

Proud Father had a loli patch and was allowed because of that. First he was banned for a long time because of Rule7, then he started to use patches and was allowed again. Mods and staff were fine with it, but had to delete shared loli-patches all the time.
But after some updates Westy fucked up every single F.95-version, they either were extremly buggy and full of game breaking errors or remnamds of the loli stuff where still in there. People had to use the loli-patch for the game to work at all and after a while he even stopped making those patches and for a short time the full loli-version was on F.95 until the staff had to take the game down again. That was not long before he got busted in Australia.

Other games try to "sneak in" younger characters after they got approved, like in Such a sharp pain (with the I think 8 year old?), but sooner or later that gets reported and the game removed.

Currently new loli games have a harder time getting accepted over there, but it's still possible, just check their latest updates and search for 'loli' you'll find some games made with DAZ or Koikatsu/Honey Select 2 over there that are from this year.
If you are unsure, you should contact one of the mods Lerd0, Bob69 or BaasB. I know those three upload non Rule7 breaking loli stuff all the time.

Thaks ErzuzB. Always informative and unbiased. In the vanilla version most of the under-14 characters will be there but there will be no sex, no reference to sex and will play a role in the plot. Totally innocent. The imaginative person may see where the story abruptly switches away from them. Do you see any issue with that at F.95? In your opinion.

When I build the distro all I do is delete two files. My logic is if I release it as just a patch people will then try to patch the version at F.95 therefore breaking the rule. What I might do is just delete all the hooks in the F.95 version so even if they do download the patch it wont work. So, make one for A.T.F. and LC and another just for F.95.

Heck, who knows. Maybe Everyone will hate it and I won't have to do anything lol. It's coming alone VERY slowly as I'm learning at the same time. Even with a 4080 Super it's still pretty slow.

I think out of the big three 95 is best for games, that means they upload a lot, they are fast and they have a lot of users who leave reviews so I can have some insight if game is worth downloading or not. The Fallen is the best for loli related content, their library of japanese games (both translated and untranslated) is massive and they have a lot of good game mods. LC is worse than 95 in regard to normal games, it is worse than Fallen in regard to smalls, especially when for some reason a lot of japanese titles are ignored here and western based plus games are an endangered species at this point so there is like one update for one game per 2 weeks. What LC has is nice community, however we lost many good members because they got fed up with... things.

Ditto. F.95 is great for games and A.T.F. has a lot of tools, programming help and instructions while LC has a great community. Don't know what "things" you speak of, but my chief concern is keeping this project separate from other projects in other categories. Ready or not, I'm going to release at the end of this month regardless of how much is complete (very little to be honest).

I still use FoxtrotNinerFive regularly (I know, that's probably blasphemy considering I'm a mod here. XD), but I don't interact with anyone. I came here to LC after the great schism when they started going HAAM on R7. I found a link to LC thanks to a shout-out from "The Fosters" by 13.

As for the not-Alcohol/Tobacco/Firearms, I've known *about them* for much longer than NinerFive because I was looking for Skyrim mods and somehow ended up on there because they had kid mods (I'm sure you can guess of what caliber). However, when some developers who regularly use A/T/F find their game over here, it usually leads to a bitch fit and them trying to delete the thread, because they have insane release schedules and forget that first and foremost we're a pirate website. While we have a 14-day grace period after a version is released, if it's leaked to us we post it. They don't like that. But that's a developer issue, not necessarily a site issue.

Personally, I view the rivalry like the US military. Army, Marines, and Air Force. LC's the Army, because we're middle-of-the-road and accept everybody/thing. NinerFive are the Marines, because they have stricter standards and their staff likely subsist on Crayola. And A/T/F are the Air Force, because they're a bunch of whiney figs that demand they have their schedules adhered to. A rivalry, but mostly friendly with members who can take it too far.

Me too. I only chat on LC for the most part. I rate and ask questions on the other sites. A.T.F. has many resources that are not available anywhere else. I kinda stumbled into A.T.F. too. Then I went down the rabbit hole. Funny, but my Avatar was inspired by that rabbit hole

 

[Elezghar]

Just logged on to A-T-F and I still don't understand how that site works or where to find stuff but from the little I've been on there, I've never seen any animosity towards LC.

I rarely use F95 either, just if I need to check something or see if there are any mods available for example that I can't find here or on other sites. I have nothing against fuck95 at all, it's great that they exist and they make their own rules, at least they are clear about it. I'm not surprised at all that many will take as much precautions as possible to avoid being linked to controversial content. It can cause lots of issues and not everyone is prepared to stand on that hill.

But with that said, in general I think that the ppl on here are waaaay friendlier and open minded towards different opinions. To be fair, we could probably have forums for world politics and religion and stuff like that on here and it would just be light-hearted memes being posted.

 

[i_patchy]

I also find the coin grind on LC kinda irritating considering I don't have to do that on A.T.F to look at the games I'm interested in. But regardless of how I feel, I occasionally log in and check LC once in awhile just to check if games+ has anything different from A.T.F.

- "coin grind" ( and consequently +section ) here exists because in the past LC had problem with newbie users reporting site to hosting services. A clear case of malicious stalking either by a psychotic individual or an organized hate group. I personally came here from A.T.F. following 13 games making LC exclusive site to download his games.

 

[ErzuzB]

Thaks ErzuzB. Always informative and unbiased. In the vanilla version most of the under-14 characters will be there but there will be no sex, no reference to sex and will play a role in the plot. Totally innocent. The imaginative person may see where the story abruptly switches away from them. Do you see any issue with that at F.95? In your opinion.

Could work, but the best way is that players wouldn't notice any "hints" that there is something going on/missing. I mean, how will you handle the Love Interests acting in front of the MC in normal situations? Normally, they would behave in a more intimate manner or generally show a slight change in their behavior after they did it with the MC or accepted romantically feelings for him. Non-taboo-players will notice there is something going on. And the sudden cut-away before something "taboo" happends... this will be very annoying and noticable, especially when the chracters behave differently afterwards or the dialouge was building up to something.

To create a properly working and credible content patch/versions, one need to change more than lables (like mom -> landlady) or cutting out stuff. This is obviously more work to do this right and basically no dev does this, I've only seen a handfull that care to change parts of the story or dialouges depending if one uses the incest patch.

So the best way is not only to cut out the Rule 7 stuff, but to adapt the dialogue accordingly. Dialouge leading up to something need to be changed, the typical "family-dinner-scene" needs to play out differently. The smols should not feel like love interests in their dialogues and imagery and their existence in the non-taboo-game needs to be justified. You could for example introduce a wholesome taboo-free sub-plot revolving exclusively around the smols in the game, so they have some reason to be there. For this you don't even need to render much more content, just having it as a changed dialouge could work. That way those would be truly different versions, not just because one of them is missing content.

When I build the distro all I do is delete two files. My logic is if I release it as just a patch people will then try to patch the version at F.95 therefore breaking the rule. What I might do is just delete all the hooks in the F.95 version so even if they do download the patch it wont work. So, make one for A.T.F. and LC and another just for F.95.

Yes, having no traces would be the best and safest way to prevent mix ups, not only for the players, but also for you as the dev. That's why two actually different versions is the better way, though it is more time-consuming and labor-intensive, especially if you decide to have basically 2 dialouges and maybe even 2 different images for some scenes, depending on which version it is.

There was a now abandoned game called "Daddy Daugher Love" about a photographer dad with 3 daugthers, it was nothing special, but the dev created it as an smols game. The first versions had a Rule7 breaking youngest daughter and because of this, the game was only for a brief time on F.95.zone. So the dev aged them all up visually (size and face change, much bigger boobs). People weren't very fond of that, after all the smols daughter was the only thing that made the game worthwhile, so he made two versions, one in wich they where all older looking and one where they where all smols, even the oldest daugther who suddenly wasn't matching her personality with the looks anymore, I think she even drove a car? He had not only to render each image twice, but also position and arange each scene differently because of the size differences.
After a while he stopped the smols version and a bit later the game was abandoned.
It seems that the game in neither version is here on LC, while the adult one is still on F.95.zone.

Heck, who knows. Maybe Everyone will hate it and I won't have to do anything lol. It's coming alone VERY slowly as I'm learning at the same time. Even with a 4080 Super it's still pretty slow.

Smols games are always in demant, especially now that so many western devs stopped making them and the update circle is so slow.
But as you don't do it for the money, this will already be a project only motivated by your own desire to make and share a game. So chances are good this will dwindle. Just be prepared for all the work and maybe not much response on F.95.zone, without the content that makes the game more different from all the others over there.

 

[4rcan1st]

F.95.zone doesn't allow games with too young looking lolis (Rule7) and linking/refering to sites that have that is against their rules, so any mentioning of LC over there gets deleted.

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There were worse offenders, but I lost my saves long ago and never bothered to replay it.

 

[ErzuzB]

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There were worse offenders, but I lost my saves long ago and never bothered to replay it.

The first one is okay, she has boobs and stuff, it could be allowed anyway. It's hard to tell in the second image because she is lying on the back, but the left girl seems to have boobs as well.

But that content is only available with the content patch anyway and not on F.95.zone in that form.

From F.95.zone:


Yes, they do have the link to LewdPatcher wich contains the patch in there, but the patch is not hosted/linked on F.95.zone directly.
One could argue it's the same as offering it directly, but it's not. Appart from some few anti-loli mods (yes there are only a few, most don't care and there are more that like them, then there are antis), the main reason for F.95.zone to not allow Rule 7 characters is not "smols are evil" but to protect the site from anti-smols attackers, like hacktavists or mass reporters.
Look at the massive attack A.T.F. had last fall, Roriwalrus was attacked too shortly after. LC had introduced Members+ because of that too.

F.95.zone is big enough that it would cause a way bigger response if they allowed more of that stuff. One might not like their decision, but it's for them to protect themselves from those fuckheads that don't know what fictional content is.
They already get up to a million daily attacks, no need to rise those numbers even more.

 

[4rcan1st]

Look at the massive attack A.T.F. had last fall, Roriwalrus was attacked too shortly after. LC had introduced Members+ because of that too.

F.95.zone is big enough that it would cause a way bigger response if they allowed more of that stuff. One might not like their decision, but it's for them to protect themselves from those fuckheads that don't know what fictional content is.
They already get up to a million daily attacks, no need to rise those numbers even more.

Those people are going to do attacks anyway, it's not like they have anything better to do than to fuck with others to feel superior and powerful.
They are basically the internet equivalent of people that manifest for stupid reasons just to block traffic and be a nuisance in general.

 

[[丂ㄖ尺卂]]

you forgot about the "haven"

 

[LewisCarroll]

Could work, but the best way is that players wouldn't notice any "hints" that there is something going on/missing. I mean, how will you handle the Love Interests acting in front of the MC in normal situations? Normally, they would behave in a more intimate manner or generally show a slight change in their behavior after they did it with the MC or accepted romantically feelings for him. Non-taboo-players will notice there is something going on. And the sudden cut-away before something "taboo" happends... this will be very annoying and noticable, especially when the chracters behave differently afterwards or the dialouge was building up to something.

To create a properly working and credible content patch/versions, one need to change more than lables (like mom -> landlady) or cutting out stuff. This is obviously more work to do this right and basically no dev does this, I've only seen a handfull that care to change parts of the story or dialouges depending if one uses the incest patch.

So the best way is not only to cut out the Rule 7 stuff, but to adapt the dialogue accordingly. Dialouge leading up to something need to be changed, the typical "family-dinner-scene" needs to play out differently. The smols should not feel like love interests in their dialogues and imagery and their existence in the non-taboo-game needs to be justified. You could for example introduce a wholesome taboo-free sub-plot revolving exclusively around the smols in the game, so they have some reason to be there. For this you don't even need to render much more content, just having it as a changed dialouge could work. That way those would be truly different versions, not just because one of them is missing content.


Yes, having no traces would be the best and safest way to prevent mix ups, not only for the players, but also for you as the dev. That's why two actually different versions is the better way, though it is more time-consuming and labor-intensive, especially if you decide to have basically 2 dialouges and maybe even 2 different images for some scenes, depending on which version it is.

There was a now abandoned game called "Daddy Daugher Love" about a photographer dad with 3 daugthers, it was nothing special, but the dev created it as an smols game. The first versions had a Rule7 breaking youngest daughter and because of this, the game was only for a brief time on F.95.zone. So the dev aged them all up visually (size and face change, much bigger boobs). People weren't very fond of that, after all the smols daughter was the only thing that made the game worthwhile, so he made two versions, one in wich they where all older looking and one where they where all smols, even the oldest daugther who suddenly wasn't matching her personality with the looks anymore, I think she even drove a car? He had not only to render each image twice, but also position and arange each scene differently because of the size differences.
After a while he stopped the smols version and a bit later the game was abandoned.
It seems that the game in neither version is here on LC, while the adult one is still on F.95.zone.


Smols games are always in demant, especially now that so many western devs stopped making them and the update circle is so slow.
But as you don't do it for the money, this will already be a project only motivated by your own desire to make and share a game. So chances are good this will dwindle. Just be prepared for all the work and maybe not much response on F.95.zone, without the content that makes the game more different from all the others over there.

Think I saw that game or at least remember people complaining that the characters were aged up.

Still tweaking the dialogue, but right now it's all pretty innocent. In fact, the young character is actually pretty creepy and tragic. The taboo version is becoming quite different naturally. But, I'll let others judge when I release it. Below is a sample of the main differences between the standard and taboo versions. The character in back is the first love interest and the little one is the wildcard. This could pass for a made for TV movie up to this point. No innuendo or 'hint' of what's to come. There's also a sister character that's 20 in this version that I may also place in an incest path in the taboo version.

I noticed that Games+ is pretty slim lately. Personally, most of them weren't all that interesting tbh. SSP and Higher Society were pretty good but the dev's just dragged them on so long that the stories became secondary.

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[ErzuzB]

Still tweaking the dialogue, but right now it's all pretty innocent. In fact, the young character is actually pretty creepy and tragic. The taboo version is becoming quite different naturally. But, I'll let others judge when I release it. Below is a sample of the main differences between the standard and taboo versions. The character in back is the first love interest and the little one is the wildcard. This could pass for a made for TV movie up to this point. No innuendo or 'hint' of what's to come. There's also a sister character that's 20 in this version that I may also place in an incest path in the taboo version.

So it's only one character? That would be reather easy to "hide" in the normal version, and would make changing dialouge and images for the taboo-version way less of a hassle.

Depending on your willingness to not only change the clothes but also composition for the toboo-version, and depending on the scene of course, the wildcard could be put in the background, to make it for unknowing players less obvious that she's a potential LI.
For example the image you posted (I obvioulsy know nothing what's going on), the first love is the main LI, so she should be in the center and front. It's about composition "rules", people might not know this or activly pay attention to it, but their brains will notice.

As for the sister. Incest is currently the most vanilla toboo genre there is, thanks to all the "step" porn out there. Basically every other game seems to have it (even if just in name and not behaviour), so... hardly an taboo anymore. And since you don't plan to monetize your game and thus have no reason to hide the incest because of Patreon & Co, she could stay in the normal version.

Good to keep the cast slim for your first game, too many new devs aim way too high at the start and get quickly overwhelmed.

I noticed that Games+ is pretty slim lately. Personally, most of them weren't all that interesting tbh. SSP and Higher Society were pretty good but the dev's just dragged them on so long that the stories became secondary.

Yes, because of this recession at least your Taboo version should attract interest. Even the normal games slowed down and everybody is complaining about AI games over at F.95.zone, so the normal version could work as well too.

 

[LewisCarroll]

So it's only one character? That would be reather easy to "hide" in the normal version, and would make changing dialouge and images for the taboo-version way less of a hassle.

Depending on your willingness to not only change the clothes but also composition for the toboo-version, and depending on the scene of course, the wildcard could be put in the background, to make it for unknowing players less obvious that she's a potential LI.
For example the image you posted (I obvioulsy know nothing what's going on), the first love is the main LI, so she should be in the center and front. It's about composition "rules", people might not know this or activly pay attention to it, but their brains will notice.

As for the sister. Incest is currently the most vanilla toboo genre there is, thanks to all the "step" porn out there. Basically every other game seems to have it (even if just in name and not behaviour), so... hardly an taboo anymore. And since you don't plan to monetize your game and thus have no reason to hide the incest because of Patreon & Co, she could stay in the normal version.

Good to keep the cast slim for your first game, too many new devs aim way too high at the start and get quickly overwhelmed.


Yes, because of this recession at least your Taboo version should attract interest. Even the normal games slowed down and everybody is complaining about AI games over at F.95.zone, so the normal version could work as well too.

My issue is the young character is key to the story. Honestly, if anyone see's her as a LI in the standard edition I'd worry about their mental state lol. Character wise, in Act I there are 7 but only four have more than a few renders. Act II there are 8 but 5 will have renders and Act III there will be 12 but only 4 will significant renders. I'm trying to keep it as small as possible ans still make sense plot wise. I'd appreciate input once I publish.

Last question (for now). Should I release on F.95 before releasing the taboo version here? It will be a non-patched version. I don't want to have the stigma hanging over it from the get-go or have to explain just to have it considered. (Note: The taboo version is always in development because the code must hash with the main programing. Coding gets way too complicated if I leave one part too far behind.)

Edit: Oh, I lied. One more question. Is there anyone you'd recommend to allow to see a snippet of the unfinished product who knows the generalities of the rules and such? The code would be encrypted of course. Not an editor per-say, just a quick overview person.

 

[Kernist]

My issue is the young character is key to the story. Honestly, if anyone see's her as a LI in the standard edition I'd worry about their mental state lol. Character wise, in Act I there are 7 but only four have more than a few renders. Act II there are 8 but 5 will have renders and Act III there will be 12 but only 4 will significant renders. I'm trying to keep it as small as possible ans still make sense plot wise. I'd appreciate input once I publish.

Last question (for now). Should I release on F.95 before releasing the taboo version here? It will be a non-patched version. I don't want to have the stigma hanging over it from the get-go or have to explain just to have it considered. (Note: The taboo version is always in development because the code must hash with the main programing. Coding gets way too complicated if I leave one part too far behind.)

Edit: Oh, I lied. One more question. Is there anyone you'd recommend to allow to see a snippet of the unfinished product who knows the generalities of the rules and such? The code would be encrypted of course. Not an editor per-say, just a quick overview person.

You will quickly learn everyone can be a LI.

 

[ErzuzB]

My issue is the young character is key to the story.

Okey, this will make it a bit harder to hide all the Rule7 breaking stuff.

Honestly, if anyone see's her as a LI in the standard edition I'd worry about their mental state lol.

People will see her that way. Most will see any female character as a LI and will even ask the dev to lewd them. I've seen devs put disclaimers in the OP listing girls that won't be LIs, because people kept asking. Some will even see every male character apart from the MC as a potential rival too who might steal his LIs.

Character wise, in Act I there are 7 but only four have more than a few renders. Act II there are 8 but 5 will have renders and Act III there will be 12 but only 4 will significant renders. I'm trying to keep it as small as possible ans still make sense plot wise. I'd appreciate input once I publish.

So only 4-5 of them will be lewdable? That is still a small cast.

Last question (for now). Should I release on F.95 before releasing the taboo version here? It will be a non-patched version. I don't want to have the stigma hanging over it from the get-go or have to explain just to have it considered. (Note: The taboo version is always in development because the code must hash with the main programing. Coding gets way too complicated if I leave one part too far behind.)

Actaully not a bad idea, if there is no special version yet, nobody will try to find it. But be prepared for people asking if it's a loli game and if she is a LI. So come up with excuses beforehand.

Edit: Oh, I lied. One more question. Is there anyone you'd recommend to allow to see a snippet of the unfinished product who knows the generalities of the rules and such? The code would be encrypted of course. Not an editor per-say, just a quick overview person.

Here or on F.95.zone? On LC I am not so sure, many are here because they dislike F.95.zone and thus won't give proper replies.
As for F.95.zone, I mentioned 3 Uploaders in my other post, but my go to would be Lerd0, he is reather open with all that stuff and as far as I know he doesn't mind smols games at all. He has a very good understanding about the upload rules and a good grasp on what the limit for allowed stuff is.

 

[Redyscom]

From my own experience, the Cuck95 community is quite toxic. Obviously, it's because there are a lot more people and therefore more idiots, but in general, there are more idiots than usual. I'm not saying there aren't good people, but one thing doesn't negate the other.

I'm not that active (I'm more active on Discord), but when I was on Cuck95, I had A LOT of run-ins with a lot of idiots over ridiculous and unimportant things. It's literally like a mini Twitter account full of people fighting like they're risking their lives in mundane arguments. Meanwhile, in my time on LC, I haven't had a single problem with anyone yet.

I've spoken to many of the moderators here, and most are quite present and active, and everyone I've spoken to is nice. I can't say the same about the Cuck95 staff; many of them have a serious god complex and are fucking hypocritical and jerks. Again, not all of them, but the ones that are far outshine the good ones.

In the case of A.T.F., well... it's the community I've been least active in. I've spoken to a few people, I know there are some troublemakers, and the staff... I don't know them so I can't give an opinion, but I haven't heard anything bad about them either. So I'd say they're generally good people... completely ignoring the type of community they are, of course.

 

[SilentHunter]

From my own experience, the Cuck95 community is quite toxic.

What if you pull yourself together and try to simply follow the rules established on this resource?
In 7.5 years, I have never encountered any problems there. In this regard, LI is perhaps a more attractive option for fans of certain fetishes.

During my two weeks here, I have already seen that this is a very friendly community, and if you are interested exclusively in specific content, rather than adult games in general, then it is better to stay here.

But A_T_F, I'm sorry, does not evoke anything in me except the urge to vomit.

 

[Soobaru]

But it has been a struggle for Heisenberg to keep the place afloat.

Why not sell more "Blue Sky" out there? Easy money, right?

I've actually stumbled upon LC when searching for something that was banned on Fat95zoo. The website there has much bigger games library and better search for them from the "latest updates" menu. Mods and admins and regarding rule 7 behavior... It's very fickle, like a stereotypical GF.

All The Fools... I've been there for a couple of months. Interesting place, but maybe a bit too extreme with some of their forum sections regarding "IRL" stuff like experiences, people's interests, etc... What they host there is interesting. I played a few games I DLed from there, but were sadly not finished or very small in content. I haven't downloaded any mods for "normal games" from there and I dread what must have been in that Sims 4 pack to warrant this size. @SilentHunter

 

[LewisCarroll]

You will quickly learn everyone can be a LI.

Yeah you're right

Okey, this will make it a bit harder to hide all the Rule7 breaking stuff.


People will see her that way. Most will see any female character as a LI and will even ask the dev to lewd them. I've seen devs put disclaimers in the OP listing girls that won't be LIs, because people kept asking. Some will even see every male character apart from the MC as a potential rival too who might steal his LIs.


So only 4-5 of them will be lewdable? That is still a small cast.


Actaully not a bad idea, if there is no special version yet, nobody will try to find it. But be prepared for people asking if it's a loli game and if she is a LI. So come up with excuses beforehand.


Here or on F.95.zone? On LC I am not so sure, many are here because they dislike F.95.zone and thus won't give proper replies.
As for F.95.zone, I mentioned 3 Uploaders in my other post, but my go to would be Lerd0, he is reather open with all that stuff and as far as I know he doesn't mind smols games at all. He has a very good understanding about the upload rules and a good grasp on what the limit for allowed stuff is.

Thank you for the input. Very helpful. See image below. Spoiler (same character from image above): my background is in neuropsychology, psychiatric medicine & anthropology and one of my case studies was a girl about this age that had a fascination with cutting things off people. Add Jamie Lloyd character from Halloween 4 and Wednesday and you have this wildcard character. I really don't have to come up with many excuses - she really isn't much of an LI even in the taboo version. Mostly just wardrobe differences and creepy scenes which would be iffy in real media and some suggested situations which would put her in proximity of adult situations but with no involvement. There's more chance of the MC getting his member cut off than using it for nefarious purposes

Spoiler: Character Spoiler

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