discussion Does Anyone Else Drop a Game When Old Saves Don't Work?

[kuraiken]

Damn dude i didn't know you guys actually still existed, you are talking full on DND sandbox game Adult visual novel style there.
There are only a few of you left as far as i know. Respect.

The rest of us don't play that,,, we play the Adult visual novel kind.
Now i'm not ragging on devs. These are people that have the skills and writing capability to even start a endeavour such as a avn.
+ i don't really mind that much if i have to start over if the story's good or hold the CTRL for a couple of minutes for the lesser ones. (i explained my view of it a few posts up)
But.......
To me it seems a lot of new devs make that mistake as it happens way more with the "noob" devs.
So it seems like a failure of planning in the development of the novel by the dev(s).
Now if it is for a good reason like a complete re-encode so things can be or are added or taken out, or even a new feature in the game like a cellphone with new options in the phone,
you know, things that enhance the story or offer more immersion then for me i have no problem with it at all and don't see it as lack of planning.

The games you are talking about.......
The rest of us have various reasons for not playing the ones you are talking about.
Not gonna elaborate why i don't, this is not the thread for that. But we are talking about very different games here, all you describe is in none of the avn's we are talking about.

Spoiler: If you really want to know my thoughts on that......

If i ever make a thread about sandbox avn's, title would be something like : All sandbox devs should be hanged from their privates with barbed wire

You are jumping to conclusions at the speed of light.
No one is talking about sandbox games, or visual novel sandbox games.
I'm talking about savegame systems in games, in general.

There's a lot more adult games out there than sandbox games and visual novels, which - from your text - seem to be the only games you imagine actually exist. They're not. All kinds of adult games exist, including tactical games, RPGs, strategy games, adult city builder games, management games, arcade shooter games. Perhaps you should broaden your knowledge of what exists before you start dissing people because you assume they must be sandbox games developers, hm?

 

[A.K.A78]

You are jumping to conclusions at the speed of light.
No one is talking about sandbox games, or visual novel sandbox games.
I'm talking about savegame systems in games, in general.

There's a lot more adult games out there than sandbox games and visual novels, which - from your text - seem to be the only games you imagine actually exist. They're not. All kinds of adult games exist, including tactical games, RPGs, strategy games, adult city builder games, management games, arcade shooter games. Perhaps you should broaden your knowledge of what exists before you start dissing people because you assume they must be sandbox games developers, hm?

No lightspeed achieved by me, logical conclusions drawn, yes.
No avn has the things you are talking about. If a avn has doors to be opened, quests to be completed and items in inventory or an object is in possession how are those not sandboxes
You are talking about variables of all that and all that are in sandbox games
Having any of it in there makes it no longer a adult visual Novel. At most it makes them adult visual sandbox game..
Very light on the game part with all of them i ever tried but they are classified as such so i will call them that.
Where did the Adult part go in your statement there btw ?
I'm just pointing out that none working saves in a AVN is not a common thing and usually only happens with noob devs or complete overhauls because the dev wants something that they can't add to it the way it is.
Now in the sandbox games you are talking about with all the variables... Yeah ,,, it happens a lot.
Another reason to not play them.

Spoiler: I'll put the rest here so i don't clutter the thread

tactical games, RPGs, strategy games, adult city builder games, management games, arcade shooter games

These are adult games,,,, because of what the pg 18 tag because of blood, death and gore ????
Come on dude. Not the adult kind we talk about here.
I can count the Adult games that where made that way without a ton of mods on 2 hands
At least the ones that are actually Adult games.
And no,,, seeing some titties jiggle because you punched the girl and ripped her shirt,,,,, Not a adult game.

you start dissing people because you assume they must be sandbox games developers, hm?

I don't think you are one. Never ever even crossed my mind you might be one.
No idea where you got it from that i think you are one,,, talk about making a conclusion at light speed.
Either way i don't actually care if you are one and what i said was to all sandbox devs.
Now if you feel offended because you might be one,,, or not...... Meh

Besides i will tell you.
I will diss (<--- as you put it) any sandbox dev out there, I do it in real life in their face.
They stretch a 10minute plotline for 3 hours by making you do the same shit over and over again so you can see a new still lewd image or a 3 minute lewd scene.
Then with a update a new plotline comes along that just adds 3 more hours of doing the same crap for the same result but a different "new" character.
It's always a non coherent story jumping all over the place without even a central storyline.
And the ones that do have a central storyline have endless grind or shitty things that have to be met and no hints on how to do them, hence the thousands of pages of people saying they are stuck
Any crap show that Celavie makes comes to mind.
Then you wonder why the new shit doesn't take your old saves,,, really ?
Just because you can code doesn't mean shit.
They can't write and they can't make a actual game out of it either. Sandbox and AVN don't mix. They now have made something that is neither.
Go play a sandbox game on steam and then try to tell me it's the same as what they make.
My knowledge on the subject matter is just fine young whipper snapper.

Ohhh ps edit,, i gave you the thumbs down on your reply as well just so you get the coins.

 

[kuraiken]

No lightspeed achieved by me, logical conclusions drawn, yes.
No avn has the things you are talking about. If a avn has doors to be opened, quests to be completed and items in inventory or an object is in possession how are those not sandboxes
You are talking about variables of all that and all that are in sandbox games
Having any of it in there makes it no longer a adult visual Novel. At most it makes them adult visual sandbox game..
Very light on the game part with all of them i ever tried but they are classified as such so i will call them that.
Where did the Adult part go in your statement there btw ?
I'm just pointing out that none working saves in a AVN is not a common thing and usually only happens with noob devs or complete overhauls because the dev wants something that they can't add to it the way it is.
Now in the sandbox games you are talking about with all the variables... Yeah ,,, it happens a lot.
Another reason to not play them.

Spoiler: I'll put the rest here so i don't clutter the thread

These are adult games,,,, because of what the pg 18 tag because of blood, death and gore ????
Come on dude. Not the adult kind we talk about here.
I can count the Adult games that where made that way without a ton of mods on 2 hands
At least the ones that are actually Adult games.
And no,,, seeing some titties jiggle because you punched the girl and ripped her shirt,,,,, Not a adult game.


I don't think you are one. Never ever even crossed my mind you might be one.
No idea where you got it from that i think you are one,,, talk about making a conclusion at light speed.
Either way i don't actually care if you are one and what i said was to all sandbox devs.
Now if you feel offended because you might be one,,, or not...... Meh

Besides i will tell you.
I will diss (<--- as you put it) any sandbox dev out there, I do it in real life in their face.
They stretch a 10minute plotline for 3 hours by making you do the same shit over and over again so you can see a new still lewd image or a 3 minute lewd scene.
Then with a update a new plotline comes along that just adds 3 more hours of doing the same crap for the same result but a different "new" character.
It's always a non coherent story jumping all over the place without even a central storyline.
And the ones that do have a central storyline have endless grind or shitty things that have to be met and no hints on how to do them, hence the thousands of pages of people saying they are stuck
Any crap show that Celavie makes comes to mind.
Then you wonder why the new shit doesn't take your old saves,,, really ?
Just because you can code doesn't mean shit.
They can't write and they can't make a actual game out of it either. Sandbox and AVN don't mix. They now have made something that is neither.
Go play a sandbox game on steam and then try to tell me it's the same as what they make.
My knowledge on the subject matter is just fine young whipper snapper.

Ohhh ps edit,, i gave you the thumbs down on your reply as well just so you get the coins.

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This is the thread title.
Point out where it says that the only games we talk about are AVNs.

You decided to pretend no other adult games other than AVNs exist. No one else.
You made your ignorance your main argument.

 

[A.K.A78]

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This is the thread title.
Point out where it says that the only games we talk about are AVNs.

You decided to pretend no other adult games other than AVNs exist. No one else.
You made your ignorance your main argument.

Where are you right now.... any other games here then that lol.
You really are living in your own little world huh... No matter.. you do you.
The idea you have that the op is talking about anything other then avn's on a site that only has those games says it all.
Like you drop a game on steam because your save don't work... or there is a server wipe..
Wondering if you are just actually ignorant or trolling. Anyway......
Like i said,,, you do you,,, and stay just the way you are.... we need a good laugh now and then.
Ignorance really is bliss huh.

Since you can't see to even construct a argument on what you want to argue about besides calling me names and making unfounded conclusions.
There is no point for me to continue this.

So have a nice day and i'll give you a facepalm back on your post so you get some coins as well...... See ya around.

 

[duckydoodoo]

if there is sandbox that is any way tedious, i absolutely drop the game if old saves stop working

 

[kuraiken]

Where are you right now.... any other games here then that lol.
You really are living in your own little world huh... No matter.. you do you.
The idea you have that the op is talking about anything other then avn's on a site that only has those games says it all.
Like you drop a game on steam because your save don't work... or there is a server wipe..
Wondering if you are just actually ignorant or trolling. Anyway......
Like i said,,, you do you,,, and stay just the way you are.... we need a good laugh now and then.
Ignorance really is bliss huh.

Since you can't see to even construct a argument on what you want to argue about besides calling me names and making unfounded conclusions.
There is no point for me to continue this.

So have a nice day and i'll give you a facepalm back on your post so you get some coins as well...... See ya around.

Oh, you thought the OP meant a question like "Does Anyone Else Drop A Game When Old Saves Don't Work" ONLY for games on this website?
What made you think that?
Is this the only website you went to so far? What's your age? 14? First day on the internet?

Maybe you shouldn't assume that a general question suddenly means "only AVNs AND ONLY GAMES ON THIS WEBSITE" and then cheerfully piss on the leg of someone who merely explained why savegames often break and how savegame systems are more complex than people who aren't gamedevs think. Because when you do that? This is the reaction you get.

 

[A.K.A78]

Oh, you thought the OP meant a question like "Does Anyone Else Drop A Game When Old Saves Don't Work" ONLY for games on this website?
What made you think that?
Is this the only website you went to so far? What's your age? 14? First day on the internet?

Maybe you shouldn't assume that a general question suddenly means "only AVNs AND ONLY GAMES ON THIS WEBSITE" and then cheerfully piss on the leg of someone who merely explained why savegames often break and how savegame systems are more complex than people who aren't gamedevs think. Because when you do that? This is the reaction you get.

So far i have not insulted you personally and i have no idea what your issue is.
Is it because of sandbox devs and what i think of them... You are gonna have a hard time simple because it's not uncommon.
I didn't say anything about you nor did i assume anything,,, you did,,, you even thought i was thinking you are a dev somehow.
So let me get this straight.. i point out you are talking about something else,, you get mad and say you are not...
Now you say your are talking about just that and including everything else,,,, yet your still mad somehow ???

So you just confirmed my logical conclusion on what you where talking about in the first place and are arguing over that you didn't ,, but now are....
But now somehow,,,, now you are still arguing how a gamesave can break on any game out in the world and you still think he wasn't talking only avn's because...
You must know a ton of people that just stopped playing a game on steam because their savegame doesn't work no more right......

Like i said before, i'll "piss" or "diss" as you put it my young fellow on any avn sandbox dev out there.
I will just tell them what is wrong with their construct of what they call their game, i have no problem with that.
Nor do i need to point out to you that those games are the ones that break the save games files most.
You already know that since you explained so eloquently with all the variables.

And no....I actually read.. Whatever made you think it was anything else when you are on this website. Do you normally extend everything to the whole world..
This is the website the question is on,, A website with anv's on it. Why would you extend that and involve the whole internet and every game in existance.....lol
I don't need to explain why you don't involve everything else in the world when a simple question is asked do i.......
See previous post on server wipes and such and tell me that effects the gamesaves you think the op is talking about...

But since you still can't actually make a argument about the topic and all you are doing is making more assumptions, being insulting or even trying to widen your "thoughts" and extending it to add the whole world and all the games there are to make more insults towards me and justify your illogical thought process it is clear there is no point in humoring you by continuing a conversation from my end.
I will now discontinue this conversation and will not reply to you no matter what you post as a response.
You simply have not made any valid point and i lost interest in anything you have to say about it since you are now just grasping for anything to add so you can try and insult me.
No i'm not blocking you nor will i ignore you anywhere else

Later......

Spoiler: Couldn't resist.

But most of all : i'm not responding anymore because this is not the thread to post your silly little tantrum fit.
You misread the question,, added the whole world to it and you're pissed i said anything about it.
Big fucking whoop,,, for someone calling me a 14 year old and first time on the net .....grow up man.
Just stop dude,, you are grasping at straws now.
Btw,,,,,You are the only one that reacts this way and gets mad + the namecalling, that sounds like a major you problem.
And that includes avn sandbox devs i have a discussion with,,,,, Bye,, have a beautiful time.

Dammit,,,, i just said i didn't insult you personally,,,,,,,,,, Ohhhh welllll

 

[Siwodnenw]

If it happens every update or pretty frequently, of course the game gets dropped.

 

[firewolf495]

Generally will just turn on skip everything and blow through everything to get back...

 

[mimomono]

On the AVN side as I do see some discussion around the question being "games" as a whole.
Personally, I tend not to just fully drop the game if my saves are broken but will instead just make note to come back once it is complete if it is something I'm not fully invested in and just replay from the beginning as generally that takes a bit of time.
Otherwise, If it is one that I'm more interested in and don't want to wait I'll just use it as a excuse to clean up my saves and make saves are better or more optimal points.

I can say for other games types I've been fairly lucky to not have corruption or bad saves in the worst way without at least having a backup of the saves, so if my "latest" one may not work one before that may work so I don't lose a ton of time. In case where no saves work due to a update issue thankfully usually there is a patch within a few days that fixes bad saves allowing them to work.

 

[Spammy]

Normally it doesn't bother me. But if it takes over thirty minutes to get to the new content, even with the skip function, I'll definitely drop it.

 

[Anon1990]

Nah it doesn't bother me. Skipping is your friend.

 

[Toram]

When it happens repeatedly and it can't be easily skipped, then yeah, I drop it at least until it's done if not for good. The most recent example would be Academy 34. Like three times now I've had to start from the beginning, so now I won't be playing it until it's done more than likely. Too much of a hassle and there are other games I could be enjoying in that time.

 

[Azkosel]

A majority of the time, if a save doesn;t work from one version to another it's due to either some major bug fix, a major game-play or choice improvement, or even a significant game engine update. Unless (as mentioned above) the dev just breaks save for the sake of new playthrough each time (which I personally have rarely seen), it's usually worth starting the game over, even if it is to just speed through it with 'Tab' and repicking your choices.

 

[Mrjayded]

Depends on how far I have gotten in the game. If I have spent a few hours in a game, yes. If its just a quick spam through horrible dialog for great scenes, also yes.

 

[zclcr13]

I almost always delete my previous saves and start over.

 

[Trueee12]

Not really. I go a step further, at times when there is a major update, I like to start from the beginning to see how my characters will diverge

 

[aloysious]

Don't remember the name of the game. Just that it was sandbox and very grindy.
But played it for a long time with a mod. to cut the grind and for the walkthrough and I think it also added a gallery that wasn't in base game.

One day the mod dev decided to stop updating it. My saves never worked without the mod. So I just gave up on the game.

 

[susa5411]

Depends on length of the game and if there are any downloadable saves or mods on forums.

 

[Gonzo01]

Depends on the game. Sometimes I bite bottom lip and restart - either because I remember it was such a good game, or I couldn't remember what had happened in the story (because of the time between updates).
Sometimes I've remembered the game once restarted, then decided it wasn't worthwhile and deleted it.