discussion Collective Shout using a noble reason to silence a community doing basically nothing

[Aerythox]

I hate that collective shout is using some noble cause to basically just attack a group that's been doing nothing the whole time, I mean it's like trying to provoke a bear in the wild simple beecause it's "A danger to human society"

 

[Aerythox]

There will be some creeps that's gonna be caught with questionable games on their devices somehow but so what?! They fail to think that if these type of games are not around their impulses would be redirected to an audience catering to those fetishes, and we frankly don't want those kind of scenes to unfold

 

[Lapidot]

Yeah I hate what they're doing with trying to censor everything.

 

[ThaBoooBThaBoooB's icon]

Yeah, this is so fucking stupid. But ppl like this has always been a thing as long as society has existed. There is always going to be some low IQ numb-nut thinking that their morals are better than everybody else. And cant understand that you can just not look at a thing if it offends you. Art is supposed to be provocative. And when they get backlash for taking away things ppl love, they go and try to play the victim.
Freedom of expression is more important than freedom of speech, which they never seam to understand. And for freedom of expression to exist, you have to accept that there will be things that offends you.

When censorship becomes the norm, that's when democracy truly dies...

 

[SegmentCoalescing]

It's not only them, it's an ongoing issue in the west where they are pushing for online identification and eroding our privacy.

The reason they went after porn games is that they knew that it would be nothing to most people, it is very niche. They are testing the waters for a ban on actual pornography and violent video games which will probably lead to a huge backlash. Forced identification will lead to the arrest of prominent people within communities for daring to speak up against it.

It's not a coincidence that all of this bullshit is happening now, it's a coordinated attack.
A very important part of the puzzle is that some current events are being seen by a large amount of people, and those in power are trying to hide and cover for it. It's not as easy to do in modern times with a still free internet.

 

[ThaBoooBThaBoooB's icon]

Yeah, I know. That's what makes this so fucked up.
They have been planning this for a long time behind the scenes.

That's why we can't stop fighting back. Because that's what they want and are waiting for.
For ppl to get tired and stop. The petitions have started to slow down. So bring this up with friends, family and colleagues.
Be prepared to be ridiculed because of porn, but you can easily move away from that if you're just prepared for it.

 

[AlBetGam]

Yeah, this is so fucking stupid. But ppl like this has always been a thing as long as society has existed. There is always going to be some low IQ numb-nut thinking that their morals are better than everybody else. And cant understand that you can just not look at a thing if it offends you. Art is supposed to be provocative. And when they get backlash for taking away things ppl love, they go and try to play the victim.
Freedom of expression is more important than freedom of speech, which they never seam to understand. And for freedom of expression to exist, you have to accept that there will be things that offends you.

Problem is that from their perspective it's not something that's just offensive to them, but actually damaging to everyone. Appeals to "just look away" don't work against that.

 

[Redyscom]

I can't say I don't understand their point of view. The problem is that all the accusations they use, which the majority use, are refuted by an immutable fact.
It's fiction, it's not real, it's drawings, pixels, polygons, etc. It's not real.


And of course, you may like it, dislike it, be upset, whatever you want, but the point is clear and concise: it's not real. No one was harmed or pressured to create such content. Chasing it is a waste of time because at the end of the day, no crime was committed. That loli isn't a person, those siblings aren't real. All those taboo, violent, or in some cases, criminal scenes never happened, because it's all fiction. And criminally pursuing fiction is dangerous because there's no limit. If something fictional is illegal, everything fictional is illegal, even your imagination.

Meanwhile, in the real world, there are real crimes, real victims who need help, support, a voice so they can find justice and bring closure to traumatic moments... but nobody gives a shit, because it's not media-friendly. Who cares if a 12-year-old girl was raped? Saying we shut down a loli game, got it removed, and put its creator on trial will attract more attention and more revenue.


It's basically PETA.

 

[StandingInRain]

But it's fiction that makes them uncomfortable in ways that are understandable on the surface. And it's okay to be uncomfortable about it. But people don't like being made uncomfortable and will happily let stuff that makes them feel bad, go the way of the dino without much thought.

But it does bring problems with it. The UK, for example, has made Loli/shota art AND literature illegal quite a while ago. It isn't really persued that much, but if anyone has any content like that and get investigated for anything else, then that gets thrown on the pile and treated like full on abuse images. And some judges have even implied that it is worse, because it can technically be counted as victimizing EVERY child, because it is fake.
But then it comes to real life, flesh and blood offenders and abusers, and they get smacks on the wrist comparitive to what horros they are convicted of, and victims are forgotten or silenced.

I've had discussions with my friends about the censorship by payment companties, and they all pretty much share the mindset of 'Don't care, it's weirdos and perverts who are impacted, not me.'
And I then bring up old arguments about First Person Shooters, DnD and the whole 'games make kids into killers' moral panic, let them argue against them, then just let it stew until they realize that it is the same thing, and the whole thing is a slippery slope that has been roped off and secured for over 20 years, but the safeguards and standards are fraying and need reinforcing. It's just that the powers-that-be, have chosen a target that makes you a target if you stand up for it, even if you dislike or don't care for it.

 

[akranatos]

Over the past few weeks, i went around in the web to try understand better the reasons behind this attack against porn games.
In short, the reason is that moralists are convinced that those who create porn games (with violence, incest, loli, shota, etc) and those who play them, approve of such behaviors.
The game is fiction, but for the moralists you ara playing porn game because for you the violence is a good action, incest is a good action, have sex with loli is a good action and etc. So for moralists you are approving a crime

 

[StandingInRain]

You're not wrong with that assessment. There is also the fact that many of them seem to have real issues seperating Reality from Fantasy. They don't understand why you'd want to do something make-believe if you don't want to do it in real life.
I still can't tell if they are dangerously repressed, traumatised, low-IQ, or wannabe Machiavellian control freaks.

Hell, many of them struggle with hypothetical questions or situations.

 

[i_patchy]

Live action porn and so called "sex work" ( including various "simp farms" ) does by far way more damage to society and women in particular, than a dumb pixilated fantasy pr0n for single perverts. But people like to pretend that it isnt true, because sEx pOsItIvItY ( yep, putting a price label on your body and standing in what is essentially virtual shop window is positive... riiiight... ) and THINK OF THE CHILDREN111

 

[StandingInRain]

More heinous shit has happened to e-girls, cammers and OF-mOdeLs, directly tied or because of their 'Profession' than has been provably caused or even tangentially tied to the most out-there NSFW games.

 

[brutulf]

And some judges have even implied that it is worse, because it can technically be counted as victimizing EVERY child, because it is fake.

Wtf, doesn’t my vegaburger count as cow genocide then? It feels like they'd be into homeopathy. The less you hurt others with your actions the more you're victimizing them?

But then it comes to real life, flesh and blood offenders and abusers, and they get smacks on the wrist comparitive to what horros they are convicted of, and victims are forgotten or silenced.

Yup, because every hates the Platonic Idea of the rapists who hide in bushes, twirling their evil moustaches. But people like uncle Bobby, or their good ole' pal Steve, or coach John, or aunt Janette.

Because they're nice people, they can't have done what little Suzy and / or Timmy said they'd done right? Better not believe them. "For the good of the family", of course.

 

[StandingInRain]

Not even that, because most normal people will at the very least, shun them and for the most part, beat the living fuck out of them when given the chance and an excuse. No, it's the legal system that is the problem. Prioritises thought more than physical. The UK is a global laughingstock. But that is beside the point and I digress.

There certainly seems to be a concerted push by the powers-that-be to tighten their grips on what they allow us to consume, even when it is legal for the majority of the world. Shaving away our privacy and autonomy bit by bit.