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Whats With The Hate? (LC/F95/A.T.F.)?

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Not sure why there's animosity between these major sites. I'm guessing it's because of a moral superiority thing... LC seems to be the middle ground. A.T.F. "goes there" if you know what I mean and F95 seems to think they have the moral high ground. Funny thing is, I think if one falls the other two will probably be the new target. Anyway, I think we should support all three - on the down low of course - we don't want to give anyone the satisfaction :) Be interesting to hear the history behind it all if anyone want's to weave a story.
 
We call it Fcuk95 so it doesn't get flagged. We call LC, The the other corner, because if we use LewdCorner on F95 we get flagged. There are some retarded admins of F95, that's why it's called Fuck95, that are constant;y deleting posts. It's not funny anymore. And then you get a message which you first need to aknowledge, when you don't know what you did wrong and such. You Problably didn't do anything wrong.

I think the admins on LC are lot nicer than on the other side.

But then yeh it's a concurrent. And their site is a bit faster, has updates faster. On the other hand this one more of the forbidden stuff... So less censoring...

Well it doesn't really matter. If this side gets more popular they will probably get into problems too, like the other side.
 
F.95.zone doesn't allow games with too young looking lolis (Rule7) and linking/refering to sites that have that is against their rules, so any mentioning of LC over there gets deleted.
LC autocensores F.95.zone's name because of that with the explanation "They started it", while it's simply against their rules.

F.95.zone doesn't think they have the moral high ground, they are more like this meme:
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For them LC is just another site that has Rule7 material and ripps off their uploads, they don't really care.

As for A.T.F.
I haven't been there for some time, I only heard from others how they treat LC. And from what I heard, they're the ones on their high horse, not F.95.zone. They think they are better than LC.
Maybe because they are the biggest smols site and don't like competition? Which isn't even the case, because LC is mainly for games and A.T.F. doesn't allow piracy. So it could be, that their content creators are the driving factor.
I think they also dislike Roriwalrus, a site which is way more similar to A.T.F. and as far as I know they have no issues with A.T.F. themselves.

But all this A.T.F. stuff is pure speculation from my side.
 

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We call it Fcuk95 so it doesn't get flagged. We call LC, The the other corner, because if we use LewdCorner on Fuck95 we get flagged. There are some retarded admins of Fuck95, that's why it's called Fuck95, that are constant;y deleting posts. It's not funny anymore. And then you get a message which you first need to aknowledge, when you don't know what you did wrong and such. You Problably didn't do anything wrong.

I think the admins on LC are lot nicer than on the other side.

But then yeh it's a concurrent. And their site is a bit faster, has updates faster. On the other hand this one more of the forbidden stuff... So less censoring...

Well it doesn't really matter. If this side gets more popular they will probably get into problems too, like the other side.

F.95.zone doesn't allow games with too young looking lolis (Rule7) and linking/refering to sites that have that is against their rules, so any mentioning of LC over there gets deleted.
LC autocensores F.95.zone's name because of that with the explanation "They started it", while it's simply against their rules.

F.95.zone doesn't think they have the moral high ground, they are more like this meme:
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For them LC is just another site that has Rule7 material and ripps off their uploads, they don't really care.

As for A.T.F.
I haven't been there for some time, I only heard from others how they treat LC. And from what I heard, they're the ones on their high horse, not F.95.zone. They think they are better than LC.
Maybe because they are the biggest smols site and don't like competition? Which isn't even the case, because LC is mainly for games and A.T.F. doesn't allow piracy. So it could be, that their content creators are the driving factor.
I think they also dislike Roriwalrus, a site which is way more similar to A.T.F. and as far as I know they have no issues with A.T.F. themselves.

But all this A.T.F. stuff is pure speculation from my side.
Very interesting stuff... I'm just about to release a game in alpha state and want to be friendly on every platform and don't want to get into the drama of it all - but also want a little measure of control of the distribution. There will be two versions... standard (Games) and taboo (Games+). Don't think I want to go any further. Anyway, thank you for the responses.
 
A.T.F. doesn't dislike LC or rori I think, AFAIK they just autocensor their names because LC and Rori allow realistic AI and A.T.F. thinks that's legally dangerous.

Fuck95 is a nice place, I'm just not understanding their rule 7. Babysitting Cream is fine (even though Cream doesn't have tits), my rip off is not. Oh well.

I don't think there's much drama between any of the sites, but I can be wrong of course. Looking forward to seeing your demo! What's it going to be about?
 
Very interesting stuff... I'm just about to release a game in alpha state and want to be friendly on every platform and don't want to get into the drama of it all - but also want a little measure of control of the distribution. There will be two versions... standard (Games) and taboo (Games+). Don't think I want to go any further. Anyway, thank you for the responses.

It's actually at the moment very simple:

- normal game you release (no incest, no loli). you can use patreon but also us SubscribeStar
- you can add an ipatch to make it taboo.
- don't add loli, if you have to, wait until after you finish the game. Because it will get you banned on F95 and even the taboo will get you banned on patreon.
- if you want stream good look no incest, no taboo, no loli.


You can always afterwards add a loli patch that will remove breasts and make them smaller. Not my thing.
Age, same problem if you want to change the age, make them 18 years, and later add a patch, that will change it.

If you don't care about patreon, or F95 you can what you want.
 
I've been on that numbered sight for awhile and usually only posted my game reactions and Every. Single. Time. I would get asshat replies saying my opinion is just wrong. We can agree to disagree, but pompous "I am right your wrong and you are stupid because you don't agree" is rampant there. Here, for the most part, everyone just feels more relaxed in their approach.
 
All three of these sites have both their own positives and negatives.

It just always comes down to bad members and mod who abuse their power.

Personally I enjoy here and A-T-F just because I find a huge chunk of F-95 members to be assholes.

That and the whole NTR and Anti-NTR brigades that ruin every game thread.

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I came here just to know which one is the a.t.f. since I never heard of that one, or maybe I did and just did not know because I have no idea what atf stands for, can someone tell me?
 
I came here just to know which one is the a.t.f. since I never heard of that one, or maybe I did and just did not know because I have no idea what (Removed by automod) stands for, can someone tell me?
No problem search ALL-the-Fallen on any search engine. It's a private hosted forum.
 
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It's actually at the moment very simple:

- normal game you release (no incest, no loli). you can use patreon but also us SubscribeStar
- you can add an ipatch to make it taboo.
- don't add loli, if you have to, wait until after you finish the game. Because it will get you banned on Fuck95 and even the taboo will get you banned on patreon.
- if you want stream good look no incest, no taboo, no loli.


You can always afterwards add a loli patch that will remove breasts and make them smaller. Not my thing.
Age, same problem if you want to change the age, make them 18 years, and later add a patch, that will change it.

If you don't care about patreon, or Fuck95 you can what you want.
That's helpful info. Don't care to monetize this project as money really isn't a big deal to me, but when I release a patch F95 will boot the game... that's not good. It won't be a 'patch' per say, but a whole branch. So the standard edition will be missing the entire taboo portion (the patch will likely be pretty big as it will be two files. A renpy and an archive holding all the taboo images/sounds/dialogue). The standard edition will be completely clean with what would look like arbitrary hooks that will of course be activated if the taboo files exist in the /game/ folder.
 
Very interesting stuff... I'm just about to release a game in alpha state and want to be friendly on every platform and don't want to get into the drama of it all - but also want a little measure of control of the distribution. There will be two versions... standard (Games) and taboo (Games+). Don't think I want to go any further. Anyway, thank you for the responses.
That's helpful info. Don't care to monetize this project as money really isn't a big deal to me, but when I release a patch Fuck95 will boot the game... that's not good. It won't be a 'patch' per say, but a whole branch. So the standard edition will be missing the entire taboo portion (the patch will likely be pretty big as it will be two files. A renpy and an archive holding all the taboo images/sounds/dialogue). The standard edition will be completely clean with what would look like arbitrary hooks that will of course be activated if the taboo files exist in the /game/ folder.
If you don't care for monetezation, all you have to be cautious about are lolis on F.95.zone. Their Rule7 says "no prepubescent character(s)", which means they aren't allowed to look like actual children and the ages have to be over 14 too.
So as longs as they have small boobs, pubes and/or any waist/hip ratio that isn't a child one, it has a chance to be allowed there. 3D is viewed much more strictly then cartoon/anime. Some older games like Babysitting Cream getting more leeway because they are old (I think it's from before 2006) and kinda cult games, that it's also a furry game certainly helps.
Shota games are more difficult to judge, because unlike lolis, you can't use boobs as an indicator, that's why those seem to get more leeway too.

Having a game with a loli-patch (or better two different versions) is not an issue on F.95.zone. It's allowed as long as the patch is not shared or talked about over there.
However, the problem is, that users can't keep quiet and WILL talk about it, as long as discissions about the loli stuff are only superficially, it is not a problem either.
But users will ask about the different versions and they will start to share links or sites where to find it, which both is against their rules. This will cause clean ups from the mods and if the users can't behave, which they often don't. the mods have to lock up the thread. Those kind of actions are always the fault of users, because they have to "talk about the fight club".

Proud Father had a loli patch and was allowed because of that. First he was banned for a long time because of Rule7, then he started to use patches and was allowed again. Mods and staff were fine with it, but had to delete shared loli-patches all the time.
But after some updates Westy fucked up every single F.95-version, they either were extremly buggy and full of game breaking errors or remnamds of the loli stuff where still in there. People had to use the loli-patch for the game to work at all and after a while he even stopped making those patches and for a short time the full loli-version was on F.95 until the staff had to take the game down again. That was not long before he got busted in Australia.

Other games try to "sneak in" younger characters after they got approved, like in Such a sharp pain (with the I think 8 year old?), but sooner or later that gets reported and the game removed.

Currently new loli games have a harder time getting accepted over there, but it's still possible, just check their latest updates and search for 'loli' you'll find some games made with DAZ or Koikatsu/Honey Select 2 over there that are from this year.
If you are unsure, you should contact one of the mods Lerd0, Bob69 or BaasB. I know those three upload non Rule7 breaking loli stuff all the time.
 
I think out of the big three 95 is best for games, that means they upload a lot, they are fast and they have a lot of users who leave reviews so I can have some insight if game is worth downloading or not. The Fallen is the best for loli related content, their library of japanese games (both translated and untranslated) is massive and they have a lot of good game mods. LC is worse than 95 in regard to normal games, it is worse than Fallen in regard to smalls, especially when for some reason a lot of japanese titles are ignored here and western based plus games are an endangered species at this point so there is like one update for one game per 2 weeks. What LC has is nice community, however we lost many good members because they got fed up with... things.
 
The discussion does not affect my personal (quite vanilla) interests. But three years ago, I downloaded a Sims 4 build with A.T.F. mods from a torrent site. Perhaps some people like it, but I personally found this content extremely unpleasant. In the end, I deleted it, but I felt sorry for the money I spent on electricity, which my PC consumed while downloading this build (90 Gb) and trying to play it. I'm new here, but I have a rough idea of what kind of content is available in the M+ zone. That Sims 4 build was enough for me for the rest of my life.
As for F_95, I've been there since 2018, and a couple of times my posts were deleted in the process of cleaning up threads from off-topic posts. It's logical, I have no complaints, and besides, it didn't result in any warnings or other threats of reprisals. But not a single review or post directly related to the discussion of specific games was deleted. I downloaded the aforementioned KN SSP (I don't like KN, so I wasn't impressed) from a completely different site, where I came across a mention of LC (during a discussion about the developer stopping work on this KN), took a look, browsed the forum, found it interesting, and created an account on Proton via VPN (TUTA is not suitable, it is blocked in my country, and my country is blocked by Tuta itself). I didn't think I would actively participate in the discussions here, but unexpectedly, the topics here interested me, and I became fascinated with the topics in this forum. So at the moment, I don't prefer either LC or F_95.
 
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I find the whole "Fuck95" stuff childish tbh.
I came from F.95 and A.T.F before knowing this site even existed. I only found this site by chance because of some F.95 hate thread from LC that popped up on google when I was searching for certain games online.
After doing some research, I learned this forum was somewhat similar to F.95 but allowed games from A.T.F that weren't allowed on F.95. It also has a similar layout to F.95.
I only made an account to see what the Games+ section was like on LC since its latest updates layout was similar. But after grinding enough coins to unlock members+ and finally accessing games+, I find it lacking in terms of features and content. There were way less games than A.T.F has and they aren't even updated to the latest version, they also don't have any of the uncensored mods or saves like A.T.F does.
I also find the coin grind on LC kinda irritating considering I don't have to do that on A.T.F to look at the games I'm interested in. But regardless of how I feel, I occasionally log in and check LC once in awhile just to check if games+ has anything different from A.T.F.
 
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All three of these sites have both their own positives and negatives.

It just always comes down to bad members and mod who abuse their power.

Personally I enjoy here and A-T-F just because I find a huge chunk of F-95 members to be assholes.

That and the whole NTR and Anti-NTR brigades that ruin every game thread.

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Yes, I still visit the numbered site, but I don't interact there. As I have said, almost every response to a post is someone being an asshat. I like it here. Someone may correct you, but they aren't an ass about it.
 
I still use FoxtrotNinerFive regularly (I know, that's probably blasphemy considering I'm a mod here. XD), but I don't interact with anyone. I came here to LC after the great schism when they started going HAAM on R7. I found a link to LC thanks to a shout-out from "The Fosters" by 13.

As for the not-Alcohol/Tobacco/Firearms, I've known *about them* for much longer than NinerFive because I was looking for Skyrim mods and somehow ended up on there because they had kid mods (I'm sure you can guess of what caliber). However, when some developers who regularly use A/T/F find their game over here, it usually leads to a bitch fit and them trying to delete the thread, because they have insane release schedules and forget that first and foremost we're a pirate website. While we have a 14-day grace period after a version is released, if it's leaked to us we post it. They don't like that. But that's a developer issue, not necessarily a site issue.

Personally, I view the rivalry like the US military. Army, Marines, and Air Force. LC's the Army, because we're middle-of-the-road and accept everybody/thing. NinerFive are the Marines, because they have stricter standards and their staff likely subsist on Crayola. And A/T/F are the Air Force, because they're a bunch of whiney figs that demand they have their schedules adhered to. A rivalry, but mostly friendly with members who can take it too far.
 
There are some shitty admins, mods and members over at the f95 page...and as much as I like some of the stuff over at A T F...it seems more like a place for actual real world peds to hang. I don't associate much there, I just look for some mods for games that I play (Skyrim, Fallout and a few other things)
 
Not sure why there's animosity between these major sites. I'm guessing it's because of a moral superiority thing... LC seems to be the middle ground. A.T.F. "goes there" if you know what I mean and Fuck95 seems to think they have the moral high ground. Funny thing is, I think if one falls the other two will probably be the new target. Anyway, I think we should support all three - on the down low of course - we don't want to give anyone the satisfaction :) Be interesting to hear the history behind it all if anyone want's to weave a story.
I haven't been on the fallen site for a long time, so I don't really know how they feel about f95 or LC. I don't think F95 really cares about LC they just don't want people there linking to sites that break their forum's rules. As for the hate people here seem to have for F95, I think a lot of it is justifiable, especially when you look at how some mods there (redknight) have treated devs like seath black.
 
I haven't been on the fallen site for a long time, so I don't really know how they feel about Fuck95 or LC. I don't think Fuck95 really cares about LC they just don't want people there linking to sites that break their forum's rules. As for the hate people here seem to have for Fuck95, I think a lot of it is justifiable, especially when you look at how some mods there (redknight) have treated devs like seath black.
The mods there sometime behave worse than middle schoolers with their first boner. Frustrated energy that they have no idea where to focus it. Seath's stuff goes too far for me, but I supported him on SS or a long time because he supports others and he does quality work even if it's a bit extreme for me at times. He doesn't deserve to be mistreated by a Middle Schooler.
 
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