discussion Building a SubcribeStar/Patreon Competitor?

[chamberlineofc]

One of the issues, I think, is that if games are difficult to aqcuire / embarrassing to buy, potential customers easily go for piracy.

Crypto is too difficult, and will convince most people to just pirate it.

I also think smol creators really need subscription based services to be viable, as pay once get once systems are doomed to fail due to piracy. But subscription doesn't work with crypto, as you can hardly set up automatic payments.

I think crypto is pretty well tracked and regulated these days as well so you're not even really getting much from using it.

 

[MicoJive]

One of the issues, I think, is that if games are difficult to aqcuire / embarrassing to buy, potential customers easily go for piracy.

Crypto is too difficult, and will convince most people to just pirate it.

I also think smol creators really need subscription based services to be viable, as pay once get once systems are doomed to fail due to piracy. But subscription doesn't work with crypto, as you can hardly set up automatic payments.

There is the problem. Like other people have said, there are two ways around using payment processors. Cash or Crypto. Cash is obviously out, and Crypto is not used as a real currency for most applications and by most people.

There just isn't another option.

 

[LostTrackMedia]

The issue is not with the subscription services. The issues are with the payment processors that overreach to dictate the rules to the services that use them. Any other platform created will run in the same issues. And before you suggest it. No crypto is not the answer. At least not until it becomes far more mainstream.

So I totally agree about payment processors. Where things become problematic is how we bill payment processors and the like. What is actually on paper. Transactions directly related to certain creators names that can pop up in a blacklist vs something like "LCSubs" is one helfpul way.

Think about how porn agencies make money now? Ads on free sites but on paid sites they go through an intermediary to the payment processor. Its always an awkward call when you go to unsubscribe form a paid site. But they never show up as a porn company on your statement. Instead they show up as the name of the intermediary company and they don't raise suspicion.

Plus we can gate the platform just like we gated the Games+ and only allow people with Games+ access to be subscribers. So that keeps the potential narcs and snitches away mostly.

We control the platform and control the billing statements then that will control the narrative and reduce the chances of getting shut down. Far less scrutiny until $100,000 a month in revenue anyway.

TBH When I made this, I didn't expect this much engagement. Thank you everyone for indulging me.

 

[scrapdragon]

There is the problem. Like other people have said, there are two ways around using payment processors. Cash or Crypto. Cash is obviously out, and Crypto is not used as a real currency for most applications and by most people.

There just isn't another option.

cash isn't out. cash is the prime currency of drugs for a reason.

beside, digital transfer don't have to be SWIFT or credite card company. there are Alipay, or other non western system like the Chinese ones

 

[MicoJive]

cash isn't out. cash is the prime currency of drugs for a reason.

beside, digital transfer don't have to be SWIFT or credite card company. there are Alipay, or other non western system like the Chinese ones

Cash is 100% out for digital goods...what are you talking about? Do you want me to mail cash to a random ass address or something?

 

[scrapdragon]

Cash is 100% out for digital goods...what are you talking about? Do you want me to mail cash to a random ass address or something?

yes. that is no fundamental financial difference for you to transfer money to a random ass scribe site who will ban you and take out the game anytime they like.

that is how Titianus or Caravaggio have their arts supported, the fundamental meaning of "patreon". they do not necessarily live in the supporter basement to make their arts, they do it at a distance. no different with online.

you should break out from the psyop by the credit card companies and the digital platform trying to push consumptionism

 

[i_patchy]

therefore you should go back to basic with cash and metal.
I am not joking, online transfer and crypto are NO NECESSARY for buying a distance service, people do that with RESL currency since Mesopotamia Sumer.

beside, Russian is banned out right from SWIFT and can still do trades. there are more system out there, go to your nearby Chinese town and have an Alipay.

- so an international investment bank for pervs? I can suggest a name - N.T.S.H.O. net trade sex hub organization or... nothing to see here officer!

 

[Faber Andor]

Seeing this entire discussion about alternative payment methods just shocks me to realize how evolved Brazil is with our PIX (an instant cash payment system where all you need is an account at any bank and a key for transfer).

If possible, try to find some kind of international option, even if it's a Chinese carrier or something like that.

Or if not, monetize Game+ through subscriptions, for those who can't afford to make the more "Sinner" games free (supporting themselves with more common games or some other activity) or, I don't know, use patches to add prohibited content.

(Cryptocurrency is rarely a widely accepted option because many people tend to frown upon it, mainly due to the high volatility when converting to local currency, since it doesn't have much commercial use.)

 

[scrapdragon]

Seeing this entire discussion about alternative payment methods just shocks me to realize how evolved Brazil is with our PIX (an instant cash payment system where all you need is an account at any bank and a key for transfer).

If possible, try to find some kind of international option, even if it's a Chinese carrier or something like that.

exactly, time to ditch the US and its client states with their 80's broomer system and embrace the shiny global south techs.

 

[LostTrackMedia]

Like I said before there are a few ways to work in-between the seams of the current establishment. Porn companies do it all the time.

 

[i_patchy]

exactly, time to ditch the US and its client states with their 80's broomer system and embrace the shiny global south techs.

- if current western hegemony would get trampled by revolt of online perverts, that would be hilarious.