3 Years of Service
I definitely like this game the most from this dev. The story was very good
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What is 2.0? What difference is there?
Is there one?
Is there one?
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Sorry, I thought I copied this over to here from itch. I guess I didn't save or something. Here you go:
Hey Everyone!
Today I'm releasing Christmas Eve 2.0. I've been slowly plugging away at this over the past few months in my free time. While I didn't change much of the essence of the story or the game itself, I did do a lot of work to fine tune things a bit. While the changes aren't mind-blowing, I think they significantly improve the overall game quality. In short, you won't be missing much story-wise if you decide not to download and play it again.
The first and most obvious change is to the images. They are now de-noised (for the most part). This may be more obvious to those of you on a desktop or laptop, but I think the change is striking. I also converted the entire image library to .webp so it takes up a lot less space.
The next change is to the script. I did make a LOT of corrections. I fixed a bunch of grammatical errors as well as all of the switches in perspective from 3rd person to 1st and back again. I also made some changes to the story. I added a few continuity corrections between CE and NYD. I also threw in a few subtle hints and foreshadowing elements to help tie the two stories together even more. I also made some stylistic changes to some parts just to make the wording flow a little more smoothly.
Finally, I reworked the UI a bit and added a gallery. The gallery images unlock as you play through the game. Oh, and by the way, before you ask:
OLD SAVES WILL NOT WORK WITH THIS VERSION!!!
...and neither will the mods for v1.0, or at least I don't think so.
Overall, I think this is a much more polished version and it will be the canon that I base my further development from. However, you will still be able to get v1.0 on my Patreon and Subscribestar pages. I know a bunch of you have modded that version and enjoy it that way.
Things I did not do:
Change relationship statuses (as they are integral to the story)
Redo the “animations” into "real" animations (although I did smooth out what was there a little)
Anyway, I hope you enjoy what I've done. I continue to be surprised by how much people like this story. I mean, I like this story, but I'm more than a little biased.
Let me know what you think in the comments. If I made any mistakes or something isn't working correctly, let me know.
Thanks!
Love y'all
~ Jonesy
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Ok thanks, I'll download 2.0.0 and keep it as a Directors Cut/Collectors item, but I'm keeping the old version (upgrading from 0.4.1 to 1.0.0 from Subscribestar).
Edit: I noticed that your 1.0.0 on Subscribestar (ChristmasEve-1.0.0-PC.zip) contains ChristmasEve-0.4.1-pc. Can you update to the correct archive please?
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Much thanks for all the hard work. I'll check it out. As above collector's EDITION!! Sweet just can't get enough. Looking for Daye Collector's EDITION. Or better combine the two when completed for a grand collector's item
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Thanks for the rundown!
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I think it would be good to have a Step-Incest tag. To prevent shit like this...
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updated ipatch by TomHook
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They were never related to begin with. If you used an i-Patch it's not official.
Christmas Eve 2.0 is updated visually, has a gallery feature and *some* dialogue adjustments to bring it
in line with the current story. Because as you write and flesh things out story elements you didn't want
revealed earlier have now been.. well... revealed. So some changes in past dialogue seemed appropriate.
Don't go modding the relationships. Things are the way they are for a reason. Modding it won't change
that. All characters are as intended.
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it's been years since the fist time i played this but im pretty sure you're wrong. I'm not great with the details, but i do remember after the 2nd or 3rd update that i got irritated because i had to do something special (i-patch) in order to not be the step-father anymore. the first few releases you set the relationship yourself adn there was no weirdness in the dialogue/story about ti. He changed it later because of patreon so you needed the i-patch and suddenly things didn't quite fit.
edit: wait...does MC or her get a text at some point from the bio father? Maybe that's when i got upset...because the patch no longer really worked because it suddenly broke immersion...???
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You were never able to set the relationship without the patch, and that patch was all manual edits by a separate person completely unrelated to Jonesy and unapproved by him; Jonesy did not intend this game specifically to be seen as blood-related incest, and it's not because of Patreon. It was always 'step', but it's not as simple as that due to later information. The patch has always been nonsensical given where Jonesy was planning to take the story.
At this point, anyone interested in actual blood-related incest would do well to wait a bit, to see where the story goes after the most recent release of New Year's Day(e), because a lot of people who like incest harems were pretty annoyed by the revelations at the end of that update (including me), even though they mean there has been more non-stepcest directly-blood-related incest going on in the base (unpatched) game than anyone thought.
This also wasn't the first time blood-related incest has popped up in New Year's Day(e) without being previously known by the players or characters, but the first time was a good reveal.
The cliffhanger/revelation at the end of the current update of NYD made me lose some trust in Jonesy's writing decisions and cancel my SubStar support until we know what's actually going on with it, even though I still like Siren Song quite a bit.
You might be mixing this game up with A Petal Among Thorns, by Lockheart, which was also a father and daughter in a cabin together finding out they loved each other and starting a sexual relationship, and which did allow you to set relations and Petal's age (and that ability to set Petal's age got the game banned permanently from Steam despite her very clearly not being underage, and no school anything ever being mentioned). They didn't unban it when he removed the age-setting option, either.
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See, i've never believed Jonesy intended this to be played without a patch. The way he describes the girls at the time of their mothers deaths makes them sound like very young children. "Evie was just a kid when Heather passed away and Daye was 2 years younger. Seems like only yesterday I was changing their diapers, now it SEEMS like they're all grown up" That doesn't sound like a man describing a 15 and 13 year old when the mother died and it "SEEMS LIKE" certainly doesn't sound like a man describing 2 current full grown adult women...one of which should currently be in college. I think he absolutely meant for everything to be ambiguous so that a patch could easily be developed and used. I think then at some point Patreon threatened to shut him down and he backtracked and added twists to the plot that made it so any patch suddenly no longer fit without intese re-writes. I'm not sure why Patreon let him get away their mother grooming them to fall in love with their step daddy anyway.
All that speculation aside....Heather would have made a SPECTACULAR cuckqueen...I guess in a way she was anyway...
I'd really like a full on cuckqueen game with her as the wife. A complete non-canon "what-if" story of what would have happened if she didn't die.
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Have you played New Year's Day(e) to the current endpoint? It is very demonstrably and strongly Patreon-unfriendly, so this theory is basically shot in the foot, and it makes Heather much more problematic to start with and explains a big chunk of her reasoning.See, i've never believed Jonesy intended this to be played without a patch. The way he describes the girls at the time of their mothers deaths makes them sound like very young children. "Evie was just a kid when Heather passed away and Daye was 2 years younger. Seems like only yesterday I was changing their diapers, now it SEEMS like they're all grown up" That doesn't sound like a man describing a 15 and 13 year old when the mother died and it "SEEMS LIKE" certainly doesn't sound like a man describing 2 current full grown adult women...one of which should currently be in college. I think he absolutely meant for everything to be ambiguous so that a patch could easily be developed and used. I think then at some point Patreon threatened to shut him down and he backtracked and added twists to the plot that made it so any patch suddenly no longer fit without intese re-writes. I'm not sure why Patreon let him get away their mother grooming them to fall in love with their step daddy anyway.
All that speculation aside....Heather would have made a SPECTACULAR cuckqueen...I guess in a way she was anyway...
I'd really like a full on cuckqueen game with her as the wife. A complete non-canon "what-if" story of what would have happened if she didn't die.
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I'm willing to go into more specific detail in a spoiler block or DMs if wanted.
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no need, i restarted this tonight and i'll get into new years daye in a day or two. I'll figure it out. That being said...Subscribestar was started and became popular BECAUSE of Patreon limitations. So the fact that he's found a way to make money and sell incest content sort of actually suggests that's what he wanted all along, Patreon just made him stop...and now rather than retcon what's he already writte...cause no one likes a re-write...he's just introducing incest from other sources and the girls stay step daughters. He is selling what he always wanted to now on a site that will let him. But anyway, i'll know more about what you're saying probably mid-week. Maybe i'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say, so I'll hit this again then. No spoilers please.
Edit: I'm gonna put a theory in here now about you saying there is incest in the game that you didn't know about before. I'm guessing Kaylee, or someone like her that he's already fucking, is his daughter and they never knew it. Or maybe Becky ends up being related to him. There seems to be some uncertainty or hesitancy in this early part of this one as to who she is/was to the couple...other than a frequent third.
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Ok...at the end he thanks Lockheart for inspiring him to write the game and for helping along the way. You don't write a game inspired by lockheart that isn't INTENDED to be dirty as fuck. I ABSOLUTELY don't believe him when he said it was never intended to be incest...and after hearing about Kaylees mom and dad situation...i'm almost positive she's going to end up being his daughter now. I'm about to start up New Years Daye...just thought i'd update you on my thoughts.
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I didn't say it was never intended to be incest. I said that it was never intended to be specifically daddy-daughter incest with Eve and Daye. The relationships in both Christmas Eve and New Year's Day(e) are exactly what Jonesy intended from the very beginning. If you want to spoil yourself (major spoilers for the games including spoiling the reveal at the very end of the current release of New Year's Day(e)):
Kaylee is the MC's bio daughter, yes. This is explicitly stated in NYD by Mia, Kaylee's mother.
Eve and Daye are bio daughters of Heather and the MC's dad, making them actually his half-sisters.
Heather is actually the MC's long-lost sister Molly - she knew, and hid it from him, which makes Eve/Daye also the MC's nieces in addition to being his half-sisters. Becky also knew about Heather being Molly and might have known who Eve/Daye's real father was, and she hid it from him. Molly and their dad had been fucking since she was a child, and the MC and his mom had been fucking for the same amount of time, apparently. Some time after the dad left with Molly, he knocked her up with Eve and then again with Daye, and shortly afterwards, their dad (MC's, Heather's/Molly's, Eve's, and Daye's, all of whom are the same person) died and Molly/Heather went to find the MC and groom the girls for him, possibly as an apology for abandoning him to go get knocked up by their dad.
Eve and Daye are not the MC's daughters and were absolutely never intended to be.
Eve and Daye are bio daughters of Heather and the MC's dad, making them actually his half-sisters.
Heather is actually the MC's long-lost sister Molly - she knew, and hid it from him, which makes Eve/Daye also the MC's nieces in addition to being his half-sisters. Becky also knew about Heather being Molly and might have known who Eve/Daye's real father was, and she hid it from him. Molly and their dad had been fucking since she was a child, and the MC and his mom had been fucking for the same amount of time, apparently. Some time after the dad left with Molly, he knocked her up with Eve and then again with Daye, and shortly afterwards, their dad (MC's, Heather's/Molly's, Eve's, and Daye's, all of whom are the same person) died and Molly/Heather went to find the MC and groom the girls for him, possibly as an apology for abandoning him to go get knocked up by their dad.
Eve and Daye are not the MC's daughters and were absolutely never intended to be.
Now, for my own commentary and speculation on the above spoilery information, which assumes you've read all of the above spoiler block:
I found this whole plot reveal to be a huge let-down, actively made New Year's Day(e) much worse, and retroactively made Christmas Eve much worse, IMO.
It was also not the big "gotcha" to the anti-stepcest crowd that some people seem to think it was (which is why my comments in this thread up to this one about it have been vague), because "uncle/niece" is a gigantic downgrade from "daddy/daughter"; the blood relation is an important part of the incest kink, but it's not the only part that matters.
The fact that Eve/Daye are technically also his half-sisters just reinforces that the MC has always been Heather/Molly's second choice. She was willing to lie to the MC for literally her entire life to protect their Dad, her real man, even though he was already dead!
It makes me wonder if the intent was to write a weak and pathetic MC who lucks into happiness by being willfully ignorant, and it's becoming frustrating to play the rest of the story because of it. Because this is a KN, when he remembers this, instead of feeling any betrayal, he finds it hot to think about, and (again because it's a KN), we don't get any choices about that, so I'm dubious and worried about how the rest of the game is going to go.
Because of this, it means Heather/Molly was the game's actual antagonist, and she can't be defeated because she's already dead.
We don't like the Dad. We have no reason to like him. The only thing we've seen him do in the story is take Heather/Molly away from the MC. What we know is that Heather/Molly probably loved him, was fucking him for MANY years, gave him every single one of her firsts (instead of giving any of those to the MC), and gave him two daughters (instead of giving any to the MC).
As far as we can tell, Heather/Molly was probably originally planning to give Eve and Daye to their real Dad/Grandpa, too, if he hadn't died. Assuming he really did die, since Heather/Molly has proven that she's absolutely willing to lie to the MC to protect their Dad. Then again, we have no reason to think she'd even be with the MC if their Dad (her real man) hadn't died.
The MC feels like an afterthought, always second place for Heather/Molly, to partially replace the man she really wanted.
All of Heather/Molly's actions benefited their Dad and not the MC, except where they couldn't help but benefit the MC.
She kept HIS secrets and protected HIS image until she died.
She never told the MC about fucking their Dad, and never told the MC that their Dad was Eve/Daye's real father, and never even told the MC who she really was...
So she wasn't really ever the MC's at all.
She was just pretending, and he was the unwitting consolation prize for their Dad being gone, the closest thing she could still get.
Hell, she even told BECKY, but not the MC, just to underscore how little he really mattered to her, and how far she was duping him.
For that matter, for Eve and Daye, it's even shittier, because Heather/Molly seems to be using them as objects, grooming them into loving the MC as some kind of "payback" because they should have actually been the MC's daughters.
At this point, if this is what Jonesy thinks of as an acceptable secret twist in an incest story, I'm actively worried about Siren Song.
It was also not the big "gotcha" to the anti-stepcest crowd that some people seem to think it was (which is why my comments in this thread up to this one about it have been vague), because "uncle/niece" is a gigantic downgrade from "daddy/daughter"; the blood relation is an important part of the incest kink, but it's not the only part that matters.
The fact that Eve/Daye are technically also his half-sisters just reinforces that the MC has always been Heather/Molly's second choice. She was willing to lie to the MC for literally her entire life to protect their Dad, her real man, even though he was already dead!
It makes me wonder if the intent was to write a weak and pathetic MC who lucks into happiness by being willfully ignorant, and it's becoming frustrating to play the rest of the story because of it. Because this is a KN, when he remembers this, instead of feeling any betrayal, he finds it hot to think about, and (again because it's a KN), we don't get any choices about that, so I'm dubious and worried about how the rest of the game is going to go.
Because of this, it means Heather/Molly was the game's actual antagonist, and she can't be defeated because she's already dead.
- Heather/Molly misled and betrayed the MC, over and over.
- Every time she made the choice not to tell him, that was another new betrayal.
- Every time she fucked their Dad, knowing that the MC loved her, that was another new betrayal.
- Every part of their romance, every time she flirted with him after their Dad was gone, and didn't tell him who she was, that was another new betrayal.
We don't like the Dad. We have no reason to like him. The only thing we've seen him do in the story is take Heather/Molly away from the MC. What we know is that Heather/Molly probably loved him, was fucking him for MANY years, gave him every single one of her firsts (instead of giving any of those to the MC), and gave him two daughters (instead of giving any to the MC).
As far as we can tell, Heather/Molly was probably originally planning to give Eve and Daye to their real Dad/Grandpa, too, if he hadn't died. Assuming he really did die, since Heather/Molly has proven that she's absolutely willing to lie to the MC to protect their Dad. Then again, we have no reason to think she'd even be with the MC if their Dad (her real man) hadn't died.
The MC feels like an afterthought, always second place for Heather/Molly, to partially replace the man she really wanted.
All of Heather/Molly's actions benefited their Dad and not the MC, except where they couldn't help but benefit the MC.
She kept HIS secrets and protected HIS image until she died.
She never told the MC about fucking their Dad, and never told the MC that their Dad was Eve/Daye's real father, and never even told the MC who she really was...
So she wasn't really ever the MC's at all.
She was just pretending, and he was the unwitting consolation prize for their Dad being gone, the closest thing she could still get.
Hell, she even told BECKY, but not the MC, just to underscore how little he really mattered to her, and how far she was duping him.
For that matter, for Eve and Daye, it's even shittier, because Heather/Molly seems to be using them as objects, grooming them into loving the MC as some kind of "payback" because they should have actually been the MC's daughters.
At this point, if this is what Jonesy thinks of as an acceptable secret twist in an incest story, I'm actively worried about Siren Song.
Now, I could theoretically be wrong on some of this, but not by any means all of it. It's definitely cause for concern, and it 100% made me cancel my support.
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@jfive77 Just wanted to add to your conversation. But @Tiur is correct.
I help edit and proofread for Jonesy. And, the patch (or any patch) has never been intended or approved by Jonesy. The step-cest has always been there and are integral to the story that Jonesy have planned.
The mod will ruin it. And already have made the main plot (as intended) wierd. The step-cest is there for a reason.
But the incest will come in buckets full (pun intended
) If you just bear with it. 
I help edit and proofread for Jonesy. And, the patch (or any patch) has never been intended or approved by Jonesy. The step-cest has always been there and are integral to the story that Jonesy have planned.
The mod will ruin it. And already have made the main plot (as intended) wierd. The step-cest is there for a reason.
But the incest will come in buckets full (pun intended
) If you just bear with it. Similar threads
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