@ShaddyGames Just wanting to get my (potential) disappointment out of the way early, so...
I get the feeling that Maggie, Luna, Katie, and the as-yet-unseen Sarah won't be LIs/side girls in this game. Is my feeling correct, or no? The feeling comes from Robert being suspiciously handsome, enough to even be the MC of a future game. That combined with the fact that creampie variables were added for every single girl (that didn't already have them) except for Robert's girls...
Considering the picture below and the following: the fact that Maggie showed up in like the first update, that we have had a bunch of updates without any indication that the cheerleaders wouldn't all possibly be available, that @ShaddyGames made it clear that Rhoda (and the twins he borrowed from 13's island game) wouldn't be available and did nothing like that for the other cheerleaders even though there were people talking about looking forward to them (as far as I've seen at least)... It would seem way out of place to suddenly not only have them (or at least Maggie) not be available but then even more to basically rub in the players face that they are doing stuff with their dad/uncle... If that was the plan I'd have rather not seen Maggie in the early part of the game and especially not see her show up on the title screen and not see two (plus one unseen) more girls tossed in too. Add to that Maggie (the blonde one) was the cheerleader that I was looking forward to seeing more it would be even more disappointing.
there is a saying "a crow will not peck out another crow's eye"you have to understand that Robert himself maybe has relationships with his daughters and niece. why touch his girls? start a war? this is not right. don't be a greed, "there are plenty of other fish in the sea".
and let girls be choosers - it will be more fun. and your consciense may calmly sleep.
I have a lot of crows in my town, especially in the winter. I live in Texas and we are the winter haven for basically all the crows from the northern states. I have literally watched two crows kill each other fighting over food or mates. Both of them fighting and ending up dying by the end and then getting eaten by other crows that were just standing around while the fight was going on. So, that saying not only wouldn't be true with the way crows work, but even the spirit of the saying, which is just be happy with what you have I guess, is a little out of place considering that we don't know what the plan is yet. If Robert isn't doing things with the girls (or heck maybe he is even gay and his girls are adopted, we don't know yet) the MC can be with them without any issue then. And even if the Mc steals them away (with the help of his girls maybe) then I would still be able to sleep calmly because it's a game, and in a game I want to win. When I played Mass Effect I didn't want some other person to kill Saren, I wanted my MC to do it. The goal of a AVN is to get the girl(s), is to get the romance, and so I have no moral issues with the Mc getting more and some random NPC not getting any. Especially when we have no info on if he is even interested in doing stuff with his daughters and niece and we even have some evidence that at least the niece ought to be available.
If the inclusion of Robert and his daughters is like the twins that Shaddy borrowed from 13, as in a teaser for someone else's game or some future project, then that would suck. Especially for Maggie as she has been someone we saw very early and along with several other girls we know the Mc has or will have. The idea that through his girls (daughters and Rose) he would basically be able to make a harem of all the cheerleaders was, I thought, a clear avenue the game was going for since early on. Now, if it does end up being that Robert is some other pseudo-MC either of his own game or just in the background of the world, where he ends up with his daughters then I could live with that, but Maggie isn't available for the Mc then I might just let this one go and head cannon an ending where the Mc gets all the cheerleaders and let that-be-that. We'll see.
@ShaddyGames Just wanting to get my (potential) disappointment out of the way early, so...
I get the feeling that Maggie, Luna, Katie, and the as-yet-unseen Sarah won't be LIs/side girls in this game. Is my feeling correct, or no? The feeling comes from Robert being suspiciously handsome, enough to even be the MC of a future game. That combined with the fact that creampie variables were added for every single girl (that didn't already have them) except for Robert's girls...
there is a saying "a crow will not peck out another crow's eye"you have to understand that Robert himself maybe has relationships with his daughters and niece. why touch his girls? start a war? this is not right. don't be a greed, "there are plenty of other fish in the sea".
and let girls be choosers - it will be more fun. and your consciense may calmly sleep.
No they will not be. They are characters from another game which was never released by another person, that unfortunately has been put on hold. At this point I'm not sure if it will ever get released.
I have a lot of crows in my town, especially in the winter. I live in Texas and we are the winter haven for basically all the crows from the northern states. I have literally watched two crows kill each other fighting over food or mates. Both of them fighting and ending up dying by the end and then getting eaten by other crows that were just standing around while the fight was going on. So, that saying not only wouldn't be true with the way crows work, but even the spirit of the saying, which is just be happy with what you have I guess, is a little out of place considering that we don't know what the plan is yet. If Robert isn't doing things with the girls (or heck maybe he is even gay and his girls are adopted, we don't know yet) the MC can be with them without any issue then. And even if the Mc steals them away (with the help of his girls maybe) then I would still be able to sleep calmly because it's a game, and in a game I want to win. When I played Mass Effect I didn't want some other person to kill Saren, I wanted my MC to do it. The goal of a AVN is to get the girl(s), is to get the romance, and so I have no moral issues with the Mc getting more and some random NPC not getting any. Especially when we have no info on if he is even interested in doing stuff with his daughters and niece and we even have some evidence that at least the niece ought to be available.
and I meant exactly the case when Robert is in a loving (from the word love) relationship with his girls, and Robert's girls are happy - then I will not touch his girls because of "male brotherhood" (= MB means "you semilar to me you act like me, you my bro whom i respect, you don't touch me and what is mine - and i will not touch you and what is yours").
but if Robert is an ass in relation to his girls, or simply ignores (like the same Jared - although it's not that I'm angry at my brother for this, haha, on the contrary, I sincerely thank him) their natural needs (provided that the girls already want sex) - then Robert really deserves to have his girls looked after by Red, and then the moment of "male brotherhood" does not work.
but if Robert's girls are happy to be with their father/uncle - then I wash my hands of it, this family is inviolable for me. I am not a brainless predator, taking other people's girls for myself is not an end in itself for me, only if the girls are unhappy - this is my imperative to act.
I repeat - why have even the slightest hints about the possibility of a neighbor offended by me, when there are many other fish in the sea? You can make the rest of the class your mistresses, with the exception of Robert's girls.
I think that cuckolding a husband who loves and fulfills his male duties to the best of his ability is ugly, but the husband who ignores his wife is worthy of branchy horns, and even should and is obliged to raise my children haha (as it was in the VN "Taking advantage", where the older brother made the younger brother's wife his secret wife, who did not give birth to a single child for her legal husband, and all the children were from the older brother, from the secret husband, to whom she was faithful, and convinced her husband that the children were his)
In a word, my behavior towards Robert will be determined by how happy his girls are with him.
that is, if they are untouched, virgin (that is, Robert ignores them), then they are my legal prey, and let my girls begin "their work" - since for health, girls need to regularly receive "male vitamins"*wink wink*...
and about the crowns - this is only proverb, saying.
No they will not be. They are characters from another game which was never released by another person, that unfortunately has been put on hold. At this point I'm not sure if it will ever get released.
Well, that sucks. With the twins from 13's island game it was one thing, the Mc never even met them and it was a fun little easter egg. This is different. The Mc has not only met them, but one of them is in his class and with Maggie it is even worse. We first saw her with the other cheerleaders where she was introduced in a line up with several other girls who are love interests and there was zero indications that she wouldn't be as well. You made it clear very quickly that Rhoda wasn't an option, likewise it was clear that some other chicks that we saw in passing wouldn't be as well, like 13's girls. No such indication was given for Maggie and in fact the passive evidence we had was that she would be. Likewise now I wonder if any of the other cheerleaders or class girls will be added since even the main screen isn't an indicator of who is a love interest.
For the daughters of this other guy it's whatever, one of them we haven't seen, one we just meet and I don't remember even seeing the third on in class so there was no clear meeting with her either. But with Maggie it makes it worse as her set up was different. Since the first release I have been looking forward to seeing more of her. Like the picture I shared above, she even shows up in the main screen where everyone else that pops up is a love interest, or at least that was the assumption since everyone else that we know is a love interest pops up there. In order of arrival in the back ground it is Rose (LI), then Mei (highly likely a LI), then Olivia (LI), then Marisol (likely LI), and then all the cheerleaders. If she isn't I wonder if any of them are, and if they aren't then why have them show up on the main screen as a tease, seemingly, of things to come?
If she isn't a love interest then every time she shows up it will just be salt in the wound so to speak, of seeing the girl I was probable the most excited to see more of after the daughters. Add to it that you have said they live next door, meaning that it could have been easy to have teasing scenes and such from "across the fence" or when Mc move back upstairs then maybe the master bed room is across from her room so some flirting could happen there as another thing I was mildly expecting... It just makes it even more bothersome.
If that other game isn't even released and might never be released it just seem odd to not let at least Maggie be a love interest since her introduction, being on the main screen, being a cheerleader, and (my bias here) but her being one of the best looking girl in the whole game.
Sorry for the ramble but this is very disheartening to me.
It reminds me of when Cerberus games added a forced lesbian scene after having two choices early on about if the player wanted to see such scenes. He and I spoke a lot about that before he left, he said that the choice to avoid lesbian stuff then was just for those two scenes and that other lesbian stuff would be forced moving forward. It's sad what happened with him and his game but I still think about it when ever things like this happen.
Also, when Loco had the twins in The List not be love interests. After showing them as the first girls when you loaded up the game and then using them to market a release of the game and even having them flirt with Mc and tease him and having the Mc think (without player input even) about being with them. Only then to reveal that they were with someone else and even making the Mc basically become a coward when that other guy showed up. Stuttering and apologizing for even looking at the twins and thinking of them sexually. Apparently if you were in his discord it was known that they weren't actually love interests but just from the game they seemed to be li's from every indication and I had even talked about how excited I was to see more of them only to be kicked in the gut by them not only not being li's but by the Mc being a coward to the guy they were with.
Another example was Little Green Hills. A game where the dev told me directly about the content and then made stuff he said he wouldn't and made the game in a way that left me feeling like I was lied to.
The worst offender of this kind of stuff for me is the game that made me hate NTR so much. Forgotten Paradise by Void Star. The dev and game said that NTR was avoidable, and at the time I was still naive enough to play avoidable games. But it wasn't true. The Mc's wife literally gets knocked up by another guy no matter what choice the player makes and at the end you learn that his daughters aren't even his meaning that she even cheated on him before the game began and even more stuff happens even with NTR off.
I have a list of over 20+ games that have done this kind of stuff.
There have been many other examples I could give but I won't bog this down even more. It just seems like the more I play AVNs the more I end up disappointed. The more people I trust make choices that leave me feeling down. But I'm the common denominator I guess. I made assumptions and thought I was following the clues but it turns out I was wrong and now I'm left upset. Still, the Mc has gotten his daughters now, all but one twin, and so the girl I was looking forward to most after them isn't even an option so maybe I should just head out now and leave it on the amazing high of the shower scene and just imagine the rest.
and I meant exactly the case when Robert is in a loving (from the word love) relationship with his girls, and Robert's girls are happy - then I will not touch his girls because of "male brotherhood" (= MB means "you semilar to me you act like me, you my bro whom i respect, you don't touch me and what is mine - and i will not touch you and what is yours").
but if Robert is an ass in relation to his girls, or simply ignores (like the same Jared - although it's not that I'm angry at my brother for this, haha, on the contrary, I sincerely thank him) their natural needs (provided that the girls already want sex) - then Robert really deserves to have his girls looked after by Red, and then the moment of "male brotherhood" does not work.
but if Robert's girls are happy to be with their father/uncle - then I wash my hands of it, this family is inviolable for me. I am not a brainless predator, taking other people's girls for myself is not an end in itself for me, only if the girls are unhappy - this is my imperative to act.
I repeat - why have even the slightest hints about the possibility of a neighbor offended by me, when there are many other fish in the sea? You can make the rest of the class your mistresses, with the exception of Robert's girls.
I think that cuckolding a husband who loves and fulfills his male duties to the best of his ability is ugly, but the husband who ignores his wife is worthy of branchy horns, and even should and is obliged to raise my children haha (as it was in the VN "Taking advantage", where the older brother made the younger brother's wife his secret wife, who did not give birth to a single child for her legal husband, and all the children were from the older brother, from the secret husband, to whom she was faithful, and convinced her husband that the children were his)
In a word, my behavior towards Robert will be determined by how happy his girls are with him.
that is, if they are untouched, virgin (that is, Robert ignores them), then they are my legal prey, and let my girls begin "their work" - since for health, girls need to regularly receive "male vitamins"*wink wink*...
and about the crowns - this is only proverb, saying.
I'll just say this, we, as the player, don't know what we don't know. We don't know who is and is not a love interest. So we have to use clues and make the best guess we can. In a typical AVN, I assume that a female character is a love interest unless there are clear indications that she is not. Like the dev saying so, her being very ugly, or the game saying so. Even her being in a relationship isn't disqualifying as many games have netori. No such indication was given for Maggie, and in fact the common indicators were that she would be. She was on the main screen along side confirmed love interests, she showed up early, she was introduced along side other love interests in game, she was attractive, and there was no clear indicator that she might be off limits. This is why the common argument of "she isn't a love interest" falls flat all the time, because we don't know that, so things like watching and peeping on other sex scenes and having male best friends with girls and hooker love interests are such bad ideas, because I don't know who is and isn't a love interest, I just know that now there is this girl that could have been one that isn't just because or worse she will become one later only after "the story allows it," but now I've watched her with someone else.
Edit: As to the "other fish in the sea" and "make the whole rest of the class out mistresses," again, we don't know that and now all that is up in the air too. Mei might not even be a love interest. The other teachers that got introduced, the other students, the other cheerleaders... we have zero reason to expect any of them to be love interests now, and in fact now the indication are that they might not be and could in fact be in other relationships that will get rubbed in our faces.
Now, not only will I have the reminder that the girl I was looking forward to most after the family isn't an option every time I load up the game because she pops up on the main menu, but she goes to the school and her cousin is in the Mc's class so she will likely show up in that context, she is on the cheer squad, so she will highly likely show up more, she lives next door, so every time we are at home I have that reminder as well. AVNs aren't real life. IRL I have to be content with my lot (and not for nothing my lot is pretty shitty) but AVNs are supposed to be an escape. A place where I can get away and unwind for a while, where I can see a good story and some pretty girls and have fun. Not a place where I'm reminded that... Never mind. I'll be going now. I don't know what I'll end up doing about playing future updates, maybe by the time the next one has come out I'll have come to terms with it, but it's just bothersome.
...again, we don't know that and now all that is up in the air too. Mei might not even be a love interest. The other teachers that got introduced, the other students, the other cheerleaders... we have zero reason to expect any of them to be love interests now...
To help allay some worries until Shaddy chimes in: as I mentioned in the spoilered part of my original post about all this, a bunch of variables to track the times you've creampied a girl were added in 0.7, for (*almost) all of the girls that didn't already have them (save for Robert's daughters and niece, and Rhoda obviously).
Chloe, Claire, Kat, Izzy, and Rose already had variables. And 0.7 added them for Britany, Marisol, Mei, Olivia, Ashley, Shanice, Josefina, Jazmine, Kimi, Lani, Marianne (Dr. Travis/the headmistress), Amelia, Esmerelda, and Susan.
*Edit: Adding this part to mention that the only other girls that have names that didn't get a creampie variable are: the Katie that stumbled at the cheerleader tryouts, Veronica (the gym co-owner), and Violet (waitress at the restaurant during Izzy's date). And Michelle, for obvious reasons.
I'm not arguing.
I'm just expressing my personal attitude to what might happen next if Red starts reaching out to Robert's girls without first finding out how things are in Robert's family - I'll obviously feel very uncomfortable, hand on heart.
Personally, I'm speaking specifically about myself, I don't look at Robert's girls with interest. I don't look at them yet, because I don't know how things are between Robert and his daughters. I've forbidden myself to do so for now, so as not to be disappointed.
However, if I've studied Red's character well enough, he's not capable of such unworthy behavior, he's a fairly protective parent and will probably treat Robert's girls the same way, well, except for the fact that Robert's girls themselves start pestering Red with the goal of being included in his harem.
but(!!!) if I find out that Robert's girls are "free" and Robert himself has no plans for them (and love them exactly as daughters and daughters only), I will mentally tell the Red FAS!
however, looking at the fact that one of the daughters came with her father, I still think that they have something... the daughter sticks close to her father, like a Personal Assistant haha (I think you understand me)... and this means that most likely I will not expect the plot to develop in a positive direction for Red and his harem, that is, I will not expect Red's harem to increase due to Robert's daughters.
I am communicating my vision and that's all. I do not touch on Red's vision, how he sees things.
I'm not arguing.
I'm just expressing my personal attitude to what might happen next if Red starts reaching out to Robert's girls without first finding out how things are in Robert's family - I'll obviously feel very uncomfortable, hand on heart.
Personally, I'm speaking specifically about myself, I don't look at Robert's girls with interest. I don't look at them yet, because I don't know how things are between Robert and his daughters. I've forbidden myself to do so for now, so as not to be disappointed.
However, if I've studied Red's character well enough, he's not capable of such unworthy behavior, he's a fairly protective parent and will probably treat Robert's girls the same way, well, except for the fact that Robert's girls themselves start pestering Red with the goal of being included in his harem.
but(!!!) if I find out that Robert's girls are "free" and Robert himself has no plans for them (and love them exactly as daughters and daughters only), I will mentally tell the Red FAS!
however, looking at the fact that one of the daughters came with her father, I still think that they have something... the daughter sticks close to her father, like a Personal Assistant haha (I think you understand me)... and this means that most likely I will not expect the plot to develop in a positive direction for Red and his harem, that is, I will not expect Red's harem to increase due to Robert's daughters.
I am communicating my vision and that's all. I do not touch on Red's vision, how he sees things.
in the sauna, yes? they are two hotties. and not judging Red for incest - she only giggled when Kat get naked.
I have much less of an issue with the daughters, as they arrived mostly in tandem with him. Fair enough, I understand what you mean and even respect it.
But with Maggie, the niece who arrived in the first update, got introduced with a bunch of other love interests, had no indications she wasn’t a love interest as well, is almost guaranteed to be a recurring character, has been on the main menu screen since the first release (Edit: Call me weird for it, but I would even wait to load my game between updates for the cheerleaders to show up so I could get a look at her before going into the game), and I’ve been looking forward to seeing more… Well, it lands differently for me. It’s like having the rug pulled out from under my feet after all this time. Another issue I didn’t even bring up before but I thought of since my last post is this; they are in the new character profile screens (Edit: heck, one of the first things I did when I saw the profile screens was go look for her’s to see what it said about her and look at her profile image). The other Easter egg characters, the sister and twins from Our Island, aren’t there. Because they aren’t recurring characters, let alone love interests. Yet these girls do have profiles, meaning they are going to be recurring, and if @hrmm hadn't said that they lack variables in the code and Shaddy hadn’t said above they weren’t love interests then there would be even more indication that they are right there. So if I wasn’t on the forum right now then I’d keep playing, expecting them to be love interests, only to be even more surprised by the fact that they aren’t.
There was more I thought about writing but didn’t. Personal stuff that doesn’t really have any bearing on the conversation. I’ll leave it here. If the decision is made and the girls aren’t love interests (Maggie most of all) then I don’t have much else to say about it. It just sucks. I’ll leave it at that.
Had 0.0.6 installed here, and just played 0.0.7, but I think I never got further than 1 session of playthrough initially, as there was soo much more content then I expected. Took me a couple of days to finish this to the end of 0.0.7.
So far, nice story, decent animations and models, and more content then I'd expect given the version number. Some expected and less expected plot-twists, but overall looking to go somewhere good.
To help allay some worries until Shaddy chimes in: as I mentioned in the spoilered part of my original post about all this, a bunch of variables to track the times you've creampied a girl were added in 0.7, for (*almost) all of the girls that didn't already have them (save for Robert's daughters and niece, and Rhoda obviously).
Chloe, Claire, Kat, Izzy, and Rose already had variables. And 0.7 added them for Britany, Marisol, Mei, Olivia, Ashley, Shanice, Josefina, Jazmine, Kimi, Lani, Marianne (Dr. Travis/the headmistress), Amelia, Esmerelda, and Susan.
*Edit: Adding this part to mention that the only other girls that have names that didn't get a creampie variable are: the Katie that stumbled at the cheerleader tryouts, Veronica (the gym co-owner), and Violet (waitress at the restaurant during Izzy's date). And Michelle, for obvious reasons.
I went to Fuck95 to see if the Maggie situation was ever brought up there, and apparently it was stated that she was a donated character in that forum (though it didn't directly say she wasn't going to be a love interest as other donated characters clearly will be as far as I remember seeing when I read it earlier), so it looks like it is another case of not being in the know and going out of my way to check every little thing biting me in the butt. But I then decided to check in the more info tab of the game like the post on the other site said to get a fuller list of borrowed characters and like half the girls listed in this quoted post are borrowed or created by someone else. Kimi, Amelia, Susan, and a few others I saw there are donated/borrowed and yet seem to be love interests, so why not Maggie? Especially if the game she was supposed to be in originally might never even come out.
I just hate that because I didn't check the forums close enough or wasn't in the discord or whatever means that I've spend all this time excited about a girl just to now learn that she will never be available. That she will be around and teased and wear skimpy outfits but never be more than a display of what was lost. This is exactly the same thing that happened with The List and Loco and the twins in that game, and I just feel really bad. It makes me not want to bother with AVNs at all anymore as this just keeps happening over and over. AVNs helped me get over my porn addiction and it isn't a small thing to say that they basically saved my life when I was in a really dark place. But now so many of the games that I played and looked forward to the most have done things that just make no sense or because I'm not in the know I just get gut punched by these types of surprises. I had a few listed in my other post above but that is just a small sampling all the games that have cause these types of feelings. It seems like maybe I should just never play any game unless I ask the developer to give me a list of girls or features or whatever, but even then I've tried that and still gotten burned (Multiple devs have just straight up lied to my face and even a dev I worked with and wrote scenes for and swore would never add certain content ended up doing it).
Believe me I agree regarding Maggie, but her creator is a friend, and as long as he says no, whether he will ever release his game or not, I promised no sexual activity with her. That being said. I have been trying to convince him to let me do more than just nudity with her, considering he's told me he's probably completely given up on that game.
Would it help if I remove her from the main menu? lol
EDIT: I should also mention, other than his characters. Most of the other 'donated' characters were simply made by others, but specifically for my game. Other than Lani, but I have free reign with her.
Believe me I agree regarding Maggie, but her creator is a friend, and as long as he says no, whether he will ever release his game or not, I promised no sexual activity with her. That being said. I have been trying to convince him to let me do more than just nudity with her, considering he's told me he's probably completely given up on that game.
Would it help if I remove her from the main menu? lol
Thanks for the reply. I hope you can convince him. Having created characters, written scenes, and even tried multiple times to work with others to make games I just can't imagine not wanting others to enjoy my stories and creations to the fullest. And it's fine for her to be in the main menu screen, by the next release hopefully I'll have come to terms with it a little better, but thanks for the offer.
It's just been a rough time for me the last few years and AVNs were one of the few outlets I had to get away from it all, but a lot of games over the past year or so have been letting me down, so to speak. Not like anyone owes me anything really, I'm just a guy on the internet. Thanks though.
Thanks for the reply. I hope you can convince him. Having created characters, written scenes, and even tried multiple times to work with others to make games I just can't imagine not wanting others to enjoy my stories and creations to the fullest. And it's fine for her to be in the main menu screen, by the next release hopefully I'll have come to terms with it a little better, but thanks for the offer.
It's just been a rough time for me the last few years and AVNs were one of the few outlets I had to get away from it all, but a lot of games over the past year or so have been letting me down, so to speak. Not like anyone owes me anything really, I'm just a guy on the internet. Thanks though.
I think that was Seth from Blackheart games and I think I heard he probably wont be able to, at least not any time soon.
Really liked the game, hope we get an update soon, even though, some facial expressions are a little bit weird (or it's just me), sorry if a make mistakes writing this, english is not my first language
You know, the girls in the back of the class could have been allowed to stay in the hospital to finish healing after the fire. Just because the new school opened up doesn't mean they have to be in class right away.
