Forbidden Art and The Risk Involved

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Many adult games and VNs are considered pornography and are illegal in certain jurisdictions, especially some "loli" and other games that are labeled child pornography and thus carry heftier penalties for creation, sale, and possession. Such content is considered simply to be art in other jurisdictions, and while probably socially unacceptable in the mainstream, it's not illegal. So, there is a degree of risk involved in producing and using such content that varies from place to place, culture to culture. Are the benefits worth the potential consequences? Is it worth the risk?

Also, if anyone knows of a website source listing jurisdictions where such content is illegal, please share the URL.
 
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There are plenty of completed games but your looking for a certain genre that doesn't have that many developers.

The risk of being arrested and labeled a pedophile for life deters many. Most of those games don't even get finished.
 
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You are taking a risk by declaring on an open forum that you are inclined to such content, and it is not very useful for LC itself. There are enough snitches and other particularly concerned citizens, after all, coins appeared for a reason. Maybe you should move this thread to off-topic+?
 

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True, but anyone with one of these takes a similar risk...
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You see, in my country there is no such craze around electronic content. Real child porn is banned, naturally, but not pictures generated by a computer program. Just as various Japanese comic books are not banned. That's why I'm not afraid to use my real picture as an avatar.
For real pedophiles we have either life imprisonment or the death penalty (it has not been abolished in our country), if the crime is especially severe.
 

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I believe Wikipedia has an article with lists of exactly which jurisdictions outlaw art depicting minors in sexual or otherwise compromising situations. It's also interesting that while movies and photography can sometimes be granted more leeway because they are "art", games are given no such consideration under any circumstances.
 

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crazy how much crack down goes on towards pixels while things like an entire island dedicated to real life acts with minors ran for decades and to this day no one was arrested for it
 
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It's also interesting that while movies and photography can sometimes be granted more leeway because they are "art", games are given no such consideration under any circumstances.
Doesn't make much sense, really, but I'd guess that's because filmed pornography used to be less accessible to minors than animation. Technology advances much faster these days than do the wheels of justice, so to speak. I recall a conversation I had with a famous chatbot some time ago where I asked what the harm would be in using AI to create life-like animation simulating all manner of deviant sexual practices including pedophilia. The 'bot's argument against that essentially was that it's psychologically unhealthy and could lead to undesirable or even uncontrollable behaviors.
 
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Meh, where I live only stuff that is "Real", "made to look like real" or has "real people" in it (as in drawings/ect of real people) is illegal, wouldn't be worth it if it was illegal, since there is enough other stuff I like... still wouldn't tell random people what I play xD People seem to be incapable of understanding that doing something in a game does not mean you wanna do it in real life... :D
 

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psychologically unhealthy and could lead to undesirable or even uncontrollable behaviors.
Yeah, and it's not like that sort of logic would ever be ripe for abuse or anything, of course.

(I feel like the /s is heavily implied here, but for insurance, there it is)
 

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I myself am afraid to express some ideas I have for VN with lolis, despite living in a country where in principle there should be no problems to create this type of content. just imagine your family finding out you're into this shit, all those good years with em just disappear forever
 

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I myself am afraid to express some ideas I have for VN with lolis, despite living in a country where in principle there should be no problems to create this type of content. just imagine your family finding out you're into this shit, all those good years with em just disappear forever

Which already shows how messed up society is about that... family relationships destroyed because of fantasies, even tho you never did anything? Oof, like... it certainly would be a hard conversation for me, but im very sure my familial relationships would stay intact.
 
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if it looks like a child, then it is a child
I guess if we're thinking idealistically, mental/emotional images of children can be generated in the pedophile mind by artificial renderings equally as effectively as by seeing actual children in real life situations. Seems nonsensical to me, but I tend to reject idealistic thinking in general. Makes me question whether the law is intended to protect children from pedophiles, to protect pedophiles from themselves, or simply to score political points.
 

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I guess if we're thinking idealistically, mental/emotional images of children can be generated in the pedophile mind by artificial renderings equally as effectively as by seeing actual children in real life situations. Seems nonsensical to me, but I tend to reject idealistic thinking in general. Makes me question whether the law is intended to protect children from pedophiles, to protect pedophiles from themselves, or simply to score political points.
The law here is under the opinion that it creates a market for the kind of people that want to see it, creating more interest.

and that would lead to more, actual abuse.
 
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