Burned - Tagging Eden's Trans content Poll and Discussion

[Deaufosse]

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As recommended by @Xonia, here's a poll. It also creates a space for the spirited discussion that @SeveredRealms threatened to censor on the game page.

In a nutshell: Does Trans/Futa content also require a gay tag, or is the Trans/Futa tag enough? Vote and discuss below! (Like civilized people)

 

[ThaBoooB]

Gay and trans are not the same thing. Not even close. So no, just no.

If you are not ok with trans or futa, you should know to stay away.
Imaging if you are looking for a game with gay content, and then discover that the game don't have gay content at all.

Personally, I'm ok with trans/trap content. But not into gay stuff at all. So I probably won't even try a game if it has gay content that is not optional. But if trans, I don't mind exploring.

 

[Deaufosse]

I'd also like to respond to the two mods who posted before Sev killed the conversation. Overall, I'd also like to point out that no one has been yelling or arguing in a combative manner except for the mods themselves. We've been at 5. Ya'll be responding at an 11.

Because last I checked, Transgender and Transsexual are two different things. The trans tag is short for Transsexual, which is why Futa is mixed in. From what I've seen, it's only a cross dresser that's playing the role as a Transgendered. There's no modification of the body for it to have the trans tag to begin with. And again, we go by visual with the tags. Has nothing to do with disrespecting the Futa/Trans tag or the Trap tags or someone's viewpoint. The gay tag was added based on those visuals. It doesn't matter if a character believes it's a woman, it only matters that there's NO modification on the body to warrant this thus the gay tag was added in.

Eden is Transgendered. She's young and uses the modern vernacular. She's on puberty blockers and hormone replacement therapy. She's growing breasts and a butt, thus modifying her body, and that's kind of friggin amazing for our modern times. We got pills and injections that can turn you into a freakin' chick, no surgery required.

A crossdresser is a gay or straight guy dressed as a woman. At the end of the day, they go back to being a man. Eden is permanently aligned with the female gender.

Maybe there's an age gap here, but your use of transsexual is outdated, as mentioned by the dictionary.com link you shared. It ultimately confuse people who assume, like most, that Trans is short of transgendered, not transexual. By your standards, we should actually remove the trans/futa tag because there are zero transsexuals in my game.

If i remember correctly, You had that scene as an option right? people can choose to see it or not.

IF that's the case, they have no reason to bitch its in the game. They chose to see it, so they saw it

If its not optional, i would suggest making it optional, this way you will cater to all types of players and not be bullied by the haters.
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Pretty sure the people that hated it, didnt realize eden was trans and were surprised to see it. they got a confused boner and got scared.

Eden is identified as trans the second that you see her. Her content is presented as optional, but it's a running gag that you will be woke-shamed for trying to opt-out. Essentially, my reasoning has been, "Well, if you don't want it to be sexy, I'm going to make it funny." For example, if you try to opt out of their first scene, you're are presented another version of that scene read to you by Willem Dafoe, who's voiced by Gilbert Godfrey.

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Overall, I'm coming to the realization that most of the mods have not played my game and are gauging it based on second-hand comments, which is a problem if I'm writing a comedy and satire that often parodies visual novel tropes. The most prime example is the addition of the Netotare tag.

Time travel is involved in the story, and at one point, the MC's sister hooks up with his lesbian best friend, thus buttfucking the timeline with a New Timeline Revision or NTR. The characters then pull a meta South Park and start talking about how much they hate NTR and literally go back in time to stop the NTR from happening. Graphically, all we see of that NTR is three animation loops of some lesbian grinding, intercut with a battle between a Cyborg and freakin T-rex. I'm not playing into any NTR fetish at all. That's not sexy. I'm making fun of it. Still, that gets the NTR tag. It's like the mods slapped "cannabilism/vore" on A Modest Proposal.

I get you're trying to protect users from seeing things they don't want to see, but the extent and application of the content really needs to be taken into consideration. People looking for Gay visual novels are not going to like my very straight game. People trying to avoid NTR or gay content are going to miss out on a fun time because they're putting way too much weight on what the tags promise instead of what the game actually has. Also, it's satire much of the time. Yeah, that characters blowing a dog, but that dog is also voiced by Joe Rogan. You can't jerk off to that. You can laugh, though.

 

[Twisted Wrist]

I've always considered Trans and Futa to be separate things, too, at least in the imaginary art world. In my mind, Futas are Cis, if that makes any fucking sense at all. Seems like the game in this discussion tries to do it in an actual true-to-life kind of way, which is cool. Either way I wouldn't say it's fair to label it "gay" but I haven't actually played so don't mind me

 

[Augustus]

Another weird aspect of the discussion I noticed was people being overly focused on bodyparts. I believe sex is something you have with a person, not with a bodypart. So for me, that scene is Alex (a boy) having sex with Eden (a girl), hence obviously not gay. I suppose that someone who sees sex as something you have with a bodypart, it could be Alex (a boy) having sex with Eden's penis, and that's why they think it's gay. Now there certainly seem to be enough men around who really want to have sex with pussys while considering the person that pussy belongs to as a mere inconvenience, but that doesn't seem like a healthy attitude at all.

TDLR: A sex scene is gay if and only if it involves a man having sex with another man.


Complete separate thing: If you look at how eg Pornhub is arranging their stuff, they have "cis man and trans woman having sex" under "trans", not under "gay".

 

[Deaufosse]

I've always considered Trans and Futa to be separate things, too, at least in the imaginary art world. In my mind, Futas are Cis, if that makes any fucking sense at all. Seems like the game in this discussion tries to do it in an actual true-to-life kind of way, which is cool. Either way I wouldn't say it's fair to label it "gay" but I haven't actually played so don't mind me

You might like to check out my accompanying game/animation.

https://lewdcorner.com/threads/lewdcorner-gets-burned-by-deafosse-v1-0-deaufosse.10520/

 

[azur]

Why so much controversy the label Trans/Futa is enough.And thanks Deaufosse what you create is largely above average. personally for me if there were to be one left but you. (traduction .deepl.com)

 

[User_83869]

If someone has a feminine female face, tits, a female looking butt, acts and behaves like a female, adding the gay tag is just going to make it more difficult for gay people to find what they want. And what they want is not pretty transgirl teenagers. Adding a gay tag is not only incorrect, but will frustrate users actually looking for gay games.

 

[User_83869]

Also, it's clearly political.

 

[stangnomez]

Depends on the purpose. If they are there as a guide for what kind of content you are looking for then no; the gay tag does not add any information that isn't there from trans/futa (and, in this case, would be less than zero information)

If the tags are there as a content warning then it is a bit more understandable as it is really difficult to rationalize aversions.

 

[ThaBoooB]

If you look at the science as it stands today. Both sexuality and gender are spectrums. But not on the same spectrum. Minority groups within minorities exist for that reason. It's not that they want to feel special, it's because they are different enough to declare distinct differences.

Some ppl might view that as political. But it's just science.

To my point. Grouping gay/trans/futa/lesbian etc together. Does not help anyone, more the opposite. Some ppl have very specific kinks and are looking only from that, and some ppl have very specific turnoffs and are trying to avoid it at all cost.

Don't rly see the problem. If you think trans content is gay, I would guess you also don't want it in the game you are playing. So just don't, and walk away.

 

[Skully_Tophat_Man420]

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As recommended by @Xonia, here's a poll. It also creates a space for the spirited discussion that @SeveredRealms threatened to censor on the game page.

In a nutshell: Does Trans/Futa content also require a gay tag, or is the Trans/Futa tag enough? Vote and discuss below! (Like civilized people)

How about a third option? More a opinion based one? I don't think adding JUST the two would sum it up. I feel like there should be more added.

I think it should have a gay tag because it's a man going after a woman with a penis. Especially if giving a blowjob and having sex with each other. And I'm talking visual, nothing IRL personal thing. But if what the Mods say is true, they go by visual, why wouldn't they add the tag in there? (I'm not placing my vote just yet, I really want to try and see things your way and understand everything)

 

[Malakai]

I'll say it once again....since people didnt seem to understand, what i wrote before in the original thread.
If a born male sucks a dick, that belongs to a "female" character, that was born male,.....no matter if "she" looks, acts, dresses or what ever the fuck, "she" can even have tits! BUT STILL IS A MALE CHARACTER USING...uhhh, medication? so "she" actually does have tits? IT IS STILL A MALE CHARACTER! The world itself doesnt only exist in your dream world called America!
With a dick between "her" legs.... its still, either a "male", that desperately wants to be a female, OR she is a "dickgirl". Yes, that term also existed 30 years ago, a time were most of you "political correct"
faggots didnt even existed.

All this shittalk, just because the "woke" developer, Deaufoose doesnt like the gay tag in his game..
I always thought you make fun about all this bullshit, and political correctness, especially when you say NO! to edens second scene, and Wilem Dafoe lecturing us about how "trap"
people are different than "futa" people. Because Futa is gay!
But with all YOUR whining, i kinda know that you really mean it. YOU really think that there is a "different" kind of gay.

I'll admit, i kinda...lost my way, BUT
I HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN YOU! ACCEPT it ! Just like i am accepting your view, WITHOUT me trying to change it....lets have a beer together.....
Or be a fkn nazi and shove your opinion down your own throat, but dont try it with mine.

I love this game. I....actually do think eden is cute and stuff. NO HOMO!! I watched "her" content first playthru without trying to skip....because i knew that the evil genius Deafosse would most
likely had something prepared for that.

I always knew what i was getting into. Its burned.....its deafosse making this game.

What i dont get is all the drama about it....I think some scenes are gay....and the game deserve the tag. Thats MY opinion....You think otherwise? Cool! i dont....wanna have a beer?

Why cant people just accept that there are different opionions for different people? Just because iam NOT thinking the same way that YOU think....Why the fuck are you telling me your opinion over and over and over and over again?! Do you think THAT is gonna change my mind? Coz...surprise, it isnt. It just makes me think that you are a delusional, mentally, disabled person. That cant accept that different people, have different opinions.

 

[ThaBoooB]

How about a third option? More a opinion based one? I don't think adding JUST the two would sum it up. I feel like there should be more added.

I think it should have a gay tag because it's a man going after a woman with a penis. Especially if giving a blowjob and having sex with each other. And I'm talking visual, nothing IRL personal thing. But if what the Mods say is true, they go by visual, why wouldn't they add the tag in there? (I'm not placing my vote just yet, I really want to try and see things your way and understand everything)

But you said it your self. It's not a man. "It's a woman with a penis" So visually it's also that.

And every AVN I've played that have trans/trap content are a Male MC with a LI that is a woman with a penis. So then you need to add gay to every game that has that type of content.
Like i stated earlier. I'm not attracted to men or penises at all. Find it of putting if anything. But I wouldn't mind trying it out with a cute petite trans-girl

 

[Augustus]

they go by visual, why wouldn't they add the tag in there?

If the scene had been Alex picking up a tall stereotypical biker with a muscular, hairy chest, a pronounced adams apple, etc, with the only way for us to know that it's a woman is that Deaufosse told us, you'd have a point. I'd still vote for "not gay", but I wouldn't think less of people going the other way. But that's not at all how it looks.

If we just look at the images of the Alex/Eden sex scene without any context, it clearly looks like a boy giving a bj to a trans girl.

 

[Seman1]

The trans/futa tag teels you exactly what you're going to get from the game (trans people, who'd have thought?) Demanding the gay tag is an attempt to subject people to your meaningless anti-trans virtue signalling. It's embarassing.

 

[Skully_Tophat_Man420]

But you said it your self. It's not a man. "It's a woman with a penis" So visually it's also that.

If I had said otherwise, I feel like it would cause an argument... I tried to be thoughtful and I still am. I don't think EVERY games needs to have a gay tag because there are some that just helps the MC have sex with the lesbians in a harem game without the MC touching her.

If the scene had been Alex picking up a tall stereotypical biker with a muscular, hairy chest, a pronounced adams apple, etc, with the only way for us to know that it's a woman is that Deaufosse told us, you'd have a point. I'd still vote for "not gay", but I wouldn't think less of people going the other way. But that's not at all how it looks.

If we just look at the images of the Alex/Eden sex scene without any context, it clearly looks like a boy giving a bj to a trans girl.

Well, that's just it. A male is giving a BLOWJOB. I'm sorry, I'm trying really hard. Is a man giving a dildo a blowjob not considered gay anymore? This really feels out of context to me. Anything involving a man to mix in with another penis, regardless of their preferred pronouns, I feel like it would be gay. I think I said this in the game thread but there's really nothing wrong with gay stuff... It's not my style but I'm not hatred of it by any means.

 

[jacoby400000]

Even when we look at other examples on this site, the loving son, for example. The character, imo, seems to be a straight cis gender male and is talked into getting his ass fucked essentially from what I recall. It isn't something he was desiring or asking for. So ya, we have a seemingly straight cis gender male that is getting fucked in the ass while sucking off a cock, both of which are massive cocks btw, and yet it doesn't have the gay tag. And something like burned and Eden does.

Futa and trans are completely separate interests from cis gay. I hate cis gay, but I love futa and trans because they are completely different. Just as a guy that enjoys anal isn't necessarily gay, maybe he just has his gf use a strap on. Dick on dick action doesn't make it gay, the gender of the individuals is what makes it gay imo and society's opinion in general from what I see in dating apps. A trans female and a cis male is typically viewed as and described as a gay relationship despite being a vagina and a cock.

Technically, yes, the definition of gay goes based off sex, not gender, however, the colloquial meaning of gay is gender not sex.

Even if we establish the definition as 2 cocks though, trans gay and futa gay are undeniably a completely different category from cis gay. Especially when it comes to what an individual wants to fap too like this site is for. So we should have tags representing the things people want to bust a nut to. And be able to search on those extremely popular and common categories rather than needing a hodgepodge of filters looking for certain tags and excluding certain tags to get around the nuances of an extremely broad tag like gay just to look for one kind of content. Imo it's the same as having a tag that is simply "sex". "Gay" doesn't tell me specifically the content I'm being geared towards because it could be a huge futa ramming a shota, it could be a cis male ramming a trans male, it could be a shota ramming a shota, it could be a burly lumberjack demolishing another burly lumberjack. I don't even know what the definition of the gay tag is on this site since as I pointed out a seemingly straight male getting rammed by a huge pulsing cock isn't tagged as gay. But ya, again, a lot of people avoid cis gay but go out of their way to seek trans gay and futa gay so labelling something like burned as gay in fact prevents it from getting to the people that like trans-gay content but filter out cis-gay content.

That's my two cents. I personally always ignore the gay tag on porn forums like this as it really doesn't mean anything on these forums and instead I need to do the digging myself to verify the content I'm trying to get into rather than relying on ambiguous tags. I think probably the best option would be to split out the gay tag into cis-gay for if a it is two cis males, trans-gay for if it is at least one trans male and another cock, and futa-gay for if it is one futa and another cock. That will satisfy that we can then know almost exactly the kind of content to expect from that tag. Just like the "sex" tag was split up into oral sex, anal sex, group sex, etc. for all the different subcategories of sex that large groups of people like to fap to. Oh, and these reasons apply from the opposite direction too, lots of people looking for gay content don't like futa or trans and are looking for the cis gay stuff so again, to get to the content they are looking for need multiple inclusions and exclusions. So essentially everybody that uses the gay tag in fact will need multiple tags to get to what they want rather than simply having one tag to search on. Therefore, the gay tag as it is currently is near useless.

 

[Malakai]

Anti-trans-virtual-signaling.....

Media brainwashing at its best. But why am i suprised! when shit like /r/transpets exists. were people mutilate their own poor poor pets.... because my cat is actually a female! she just didnt know! so i made "her" realise!

One of the reasons why i hope that Kim-Jung-Un or even Putin , finally drop those bombs..... Holy shit....

Clownworld

 

[ThaBoooB]

If I had said otherwise, I feel like it would cause an argument... I tried to be thoughtful and I still am. I don't think EVERY games needs to have a gay tag because there are some that just helps the MC have sex with the lesbians in a harem game without the MC touching her.

The argument is already going. I like that you're trying to keep it civil, though. It is possible to have these kinds of discussions without getting upset and calling ppl names etc.

But that's the thing, though. I would not be interested if the gay tag was there. It's not the same. Even if you see it as such. Most ppl who are rly into gay or trans content, even ppl like me who are just a little curious. See distinct differences.

Maybe add a disclaimer in the OP. Like most devs do wit NTR stuff. That the trans content consist of male and trans-girl with a penis. If anything. I would think it's a little over the top. But if that help ppl who views it like that. Sure why not.