About site identity and rules about sharing content

[ady13]

This was a conversation in SSP Thread and to avoid more offtopic there i made a Thread here to talk about it, if you want more context you can go back to Such a Sharp Pain thread to read it.

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Im sorry but you dont respect most devs, most games here are shared against their consent and you are being picky in which game you respect and games you dont "respect" , if you dont threat everyone equally then site wont work long term, you need to be clear in how this site works and stop going around the bush why sometimes is fine sharing something first day and why sometimes is not ok to share anything at all beside what dev chose to and when...A dev not being here talking bout their game i dont think thats a reason to no "respect" them and share everything day 1.
Im fine with whatever but we need some clear rules or people will be confused and always brake them, im just confused with the site indentity and what is trying to be coz sometimes is a dev platform promoting their game and sometimes is a piracy site depends on the threads.

 

[Heisenberg]

This was a conversation in SSP Thread and to avoid more offtopic there i made a Thread here to talk about it, if you want more context you can go back to Such a Sharp Pain thread to read it.

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Im sorry but you dont respect most devs, most games here are shared against their consent and you are being picky in which game you respect and games you dont "respect" , if you dont threat everyone equally then site wont work long term, you need to be clear in how this site works and stop going around the bush why sometimes is fine sharing something first day and why sometimes is not ok to share anything at all beside what dev chose to and when...A dev not being here talking bout their game i dont think thats a reason to no "respect" them and share everything day 1.
Im fine with whatever but we need some clear rules or people will be confused and always brake them, im just confused with the site indentity and what is trying to be coz sometimes is a dev platform promoting their game and sometimes is a piracy site depends on the threads.

We won't leak any game, but if the game was grabbed elsewhere like Fuck95/(Removed by automod) idc if it gets posted, I won't leak any game here first for any game so if you think that then we'll I'm not sure where people get that idea, all games wont be released for up to 14 days.

Unless your name is Ricoh, you deserve everything that comes your way. -Edit: just to piss him off.

 

[User_12]

This conversation is driving me crazy.
First the games, then all the content exclusive to people who pay, and then what? People are going to demand that we work for them for free?????? WTF!!
This is becoming unbearable. A dev gives you a game for free, but no, that's not enough, you have to steal it while it's being made and then take everything. Everything they produce! Because after all, why should they get paid? Why should you have to pay for something that gives you a good time? What a shame.
This will be my last message on this subject. I'm disgusted by some people.
I can understand why devs give up.

And thanks to LC for respecting the work of the devs. I will always share SSP here and only here. Thanks again.

 

[Mr. Tearson]

Im fine with whatever but we need some clear rules or people will be confused and always brake them, im just confused with the site indentity and what is trying to be coz sometimes is a dev platform promoting their game and sometimes is a piracy site depends on the threads.

When a game has been released after 14 days, that's pretty much when we stop caring about when it get here. With Keztal, it's no real differences but a lot of us do trust this Dev more.

If a game has been released before the 14 days on other sites like Fuck95, (Removed by automod), Itch.io, and others, we'll release it here.

If a Dev isn't here, yes, we'll add his/her game here until this Dev wants ownership of the thread.

That 14 days is key, regardless. The only way we could come up with a way to balance the trust between Devs and Users alike while keeping this site going.

 

[ady13]

This conversation is driving me crazy.
First the games, then all the content exclusive to people who pay, and then what? People are going to demand that we work for them for free?????? WTF!!
This is becoming unbearable. A dev gives you a game for free, but no, that's not enough, you have to steal it while it's being made and then take everything. Everything they produce! Because after all, why should they get paid? Why should you have to pay for something that gives you a good time? What a shame.
This will be my last message on this subject. I'm disgusted by some people.
I can understand why devs give up.

And thanks to LC for respecting the work of the devs. I will always share SSP here and only here. Thanks again.

You are no giving the game for free, if you dont share ur game for free you would have no subscribers since nobody would know bout ur game or only very few people would know if u promote ur game somewhere, make a poll of ur subscribers and ask them how they know bout ur game, most of them played ur game for free from a piracy site and they chose to support ur project, nobody randomly browse SubsribeStar and randomly found you. So i dont think is fair to say you only share the game here for free coz you are a man of people and you only wanna do good in this world, clearly if u wouldnt it would be posted by someone else and even quicker too.
Also should i ask you if u payed for every game/comic/music/content/art etc you consumed? i highly doubt while you have accounts on multiple piracy sites so idk why you act shocked when now ur on other side people sharing ur work and now suddenly you see piracy with another eyes and i know from experience since im also a creator on pixiv Fanbox but i never mind when people share my stuff since i know thats how this things works and i cant catch all the fish, i just try to see the full part of a half empty glass and not empty one and even though my work most of times shared day 1 and even always up on Kemono etc i still think i get way too much money for how much effort i put into and im just doing it as a passion and enjoying doing it and somehow i get more money than any job i had. So idk why ur so fixated to stuffs like this, as i said, if you do ur job as a dev/artist etc, you will always have people to support you, if u disagree please tell me 1 example when a piracy site killed a game that was good...

 

[User_12]

In my country, we have a saying: "There's none so deaf as those who won't listen". On that note. Enjoy my game that I'm giving away for free.

 

[Mr. Tearson]

You are no giving the game for free, if you dont share ur game for free you would have no subscribers since nobody would know bout ur game or only very few people would know if u promote ur game somewhere, make a poll of ur subscribers and ask them how they know bout ur game, most of them played ur game for free from a piracy site and they chose to support ur project, nobody randomly browse SubsribeStar and randomly found you. So i dont think is fair to say you only share the game here for free coz you are a man of people and you only wanna do good in this world, clearly if u wouldnt it would be posted by someone else and even quicker too.
Also should i ask you if u payed for every game/comic/music/content/art etc you consumed? i highly doubt while you have accounts on multiple piracy sites so idk why you act shocked when now ur on other side people sharing ur work and now suddenly you see piracy with another eyes and i know from experience since im also a creator on pixiv Fanbox but i never mind when people share my stuff since i know thats how this things works and i cant catch all the fish, i just try to see the full part of a half empty glass and not empty one and even though my work most of times shared day 1 and even always up on Kemono etc i still think i get way too much money for how much effort i put into and im just doing it as a passion and enjoying doing it and somehow i get more money than any job i had. So idk why ur so fixated to stuffs like this, as i said, if you do ur job as a dev/artist etc, you will always have people to support you, if u disagree please tell me 1 example when a piracy site killed a game that was good...

Jeez...

Alright. My last attempt for you. Explanation and all that sappy stuff.

Why do devs make games for money?
Do you honestly see them working day to day jobs and then coming home to work, then release every months? Do you know how Daz works? It can be pretty time consuming, especially for decent quality or above.

Comic? People who come here are usually here for the games. Otherwise, there'd be a ton of comics and animations in this site.

If people are going to support me via money for my game, I want to at least make sure they get something in return rather than the same crap the others get. Might seem unfair to other people but how fair would it be for those that paid me? All Developers varies, of course, but in my case, I want to make damn sure they get some special treatment and for me to have enough time to do so. Not everyone can treat things as a hobby when our real life jobs wants to treat us as a slave.

You're only considering your experiences. Not the experiences of others. If a game is really that good, of course, it wouldn't die out. This isn't about that, though. This is about being able to stay home long enough to provide what we can give. No one can work on an empty stomach and expect to survive.

Maybe you also haven't noticed but not all game Devs are like Ketzal or me. We came here with the purpose of releasing our contents to the public while also making sure our supporters get theirs, as well. But other game Devs often put their game for sale rather than giving people their demos or public releases.

Do I really need to explain more? I thought this was pretty obvious.

 

[trc450]

You are no giving the game for free, if you dont share ur game for free you would have no subscribers.

There are people who do not pirate at all. Is it not plausable for a dev to respect those who do pay or subscribe, by not uploading thing free for everyone. Instant access and other perks are there to value their decision to support monetarily or other means, even if they were to gain access on the content easily later for "free" illegally.

 

[ady13]

im not here downplaying anyone, i just dont agree with Ketzal when he say he dont get anything from posting his game here or other pirating sites you get most of ur subscribers from and acting like he only does coz he is a good guy etc while without posting his game for free he wouldnt have any subscribers at all and being able to make any money from this, so he is not greatful for getting an audience from this kind of forums and then when he does have subscribers acting like he does it all for us etc , everything you do is to make as much money as possible even if u shot urself in the foot with some decisions you make trying to maximize ur profit so stop trying to pat urself on the back and saying you do this for the people and everyone else, you dont give away anything for free, you just do everything for profit, which is fine i dont mind at all, but do it and dont pretend ur Jesus and you do everything for people , is annoying to see people do everything to maximize their profit and then acting like thats not the case, again just do it and dont talk bout it...

 

[Mindy2000]

Waiting time:
To release stuff that has been shared online with or without Devs (with or without the dev knowledge) for about 14 days is IMO okay. As an incentive, maybe 20–30 Days wait time with the knowledge that the Original DEV is present here on Lewedcorner.com. Totally Okay with it. (I mean really!: Someone WILL ALWAYS post your Content without your consent on the Interwebs. (be it Sharehoster or be it other Community Sites.)
I liked and LIKE the IDEA that the DEVS are present on Lewdcorner.com and use it as another Platform for Content Distro, without EXTREME Censor Shit. And use it to make information available to where to sub or when new releases will come.

Me as a Consumer:
To be totally honest with you guys/girls/and whatnot, as a consumer (Primarily) I Pirate 1st and buy 2nd my Content. If a Game / App / VN / Comic is to my liking, I try to pay for it immediately (max €60, then unsub until it's worth subbing again. I have my own rules on how to pay them, like I Subscribe to them via 3000 different Subscription sites (I know you can't do anything about it, but it still sucks to subscribe on some Devs, and they then get Canceled on the Platform and you need to repeat this Payment again....) or do a 1 time payment.

On Lewdcorner.com:
1. Ads or sub: Personally, I liked adds lite you had used one time. Not so invasive IMO
2. Without your Site I would have missed 80% of VN from DAZ devs and the one from RPFAN "wink". So THANK YOU Lewdcorner.com "BOSS" and TEAM.

Happy Holidays when they come to you (or not)

 

[JHorcoc28]

I've played hundreds of AVNs since I first discovered them in 2019. I usually get them either here or on Fuck95 and try them out and if I like the game I'll stick with it and if not I might literally fall asleep while playing it (this has happened more than a few times) or else otherwise choose not to continue playing. Most of the AVNs that I've played I quickly find that I don't like for one reason or another and then I move on to something else. There are others that seem to have potential and which I liked enough to give more than one chance, but which have issues that prevent me from really getting into them. And there are some AVNs that I really like playing to the point where I keep coming back for more and want to support them.

I am currently supporting several games and have previously supported others that I eventually stopped supporting because they either got abandoned, didn't update frequently enough, or went in directions I didn't like.

I have never even considered supporting a game that I did not first play and decide that I liked it enough to support. There are just too many AVNs available for a regular person to afford paying every time they try out a new game to see if they might like it.

 

[BgileMunro]

I've played hundreds of AVNs since I first discovered them in 2019. I usually get them either here or on Fuck95 and try them out and if I like the game I'll stick with it and if not I might literally fall asleep while playing it (this has happened more than a few times) or else otherwise choose not to continue playing. Most of the AVNs that I've played I quickly find that I don't like for one reason or another and then I move on to something else. There are others that seem to have potential and which I liked enough to give more than one chance, but which have issues that prevent me from really getting into them. And there are some AVNs that I really like playing to the point where I keep coming back for more and want to support them.

I am currently supporting several games and have previously supported others that I eventually stopped supporting because they either got abandoned, didn't update frequently enough, or went in directions I didn't like.

I have never even considered supporting a game that I did not first play and decide that I liked it enough to support. There are just too many AVNs available for a regular person to afford paying every time they try out a new game to see if they might like it.

Yes; that's what I do. I play the latest public release (usually on here) and if I like it enough to care about the next release, I will sub.

I do not understand the people who don't support a good AVN when you can do it for less than a typical trip to a fast food place. Once a month for God's sake! I also keep track of my subs and if a game doesn't get an update for a while I will suspend my subscription until it does.

 

[Dororohot]

When a game has been released after 14 days, that's pretty much when we stop caring about when it get here. With Keztal, it's no real differences but a lot of us do trust this Dev more.

If a game has been released before the 14 days on other sites like Fuck95, (Removed by automod), Itch.io, and others, we'll release it here.

If a Dev isn't here, yes, we'll add his/her game here until this Dev wants ownership of the thread.

That 14 days is key, regardless. The only way we could come up with a way to balance the trust between Devs and Users alike while keeping this site going.

So does that mean except ketzel we can leak others game after 14 days?Because the way i see it ketzel usually releases public version in 21 days.I dont care either way but this site needs clear rule if it wants to keep running.

 

[ady13]

All devs/creators should be threated equally if they here or not, i dont understand the logic of either being here or against us that is kinda what it looks like, site need clear rules as when all games can be posted after they got released etc, forcing devs to join ur forum or u gonna share their shit is not fair at all, whatever rules you chose for when a content can be shared should be the same for everyone, pick and chose and threating some devs different than others is not the way if as you stated you dont just wanna be a pirating site
Whatever rules you guys chose for ur site is obvs ur choise whatever everything can be shared anytime or after 1-2 weeks etc , it should all be the same for everyone, and punishing some devs *that prob have a full schedule* for not joining ur site and provide content to ur site etc and threat them different than devs that joined ur site is not fair at all , i dont think is Devs job to go every forum/site and take ownership to his stuff or they gonna get punished for it. Or just be a pirating site and let everyone share stuff freely just like you do with other content where devs are not on this site.
Is weird to see on one side you threat the site like a Devs/creator platform (kinda like Pixiv) and let them share their stuffs whenever they want including allowing them to not share something at all if they chose to, like Ketzal renders/comics and on other side the side its a pirating site and shares other creators works even day 1 it was released without their consent. This 2 things kinda are on 2 different side of a spectrum and you cant have them both, either ur a creators platform either ur a pirating/members platform

 

[SeveredRealms]

Ok asswipe... Here is the deal... since your too stupid to understand english it seems... IF A CREATOR COME TO THIS SITE AND WANTS TO CREATE A THREAD AND MANAGER A THREAD... WE THE STAFF RESPECT SAID DEVS WISHES......
IF A DEV COMES HERE CREATES A THREAD AND WALKS AWAY... WE HAVE TO MANAGE THEIR THREAD KEYWORD WE....
We welcome any and all devs to join and they will be treated the same as Ketzel and a few others on here. Any and all other threads WE create will be updated as WE get new links...... If a game is stolen then leaked here when it is not or can not be on any other site.. 9 times out of 10 WE contact the dev to see if they want it to stay leaked or we removed the links if they don't... Your outside the staff you don't have a god damn clue wtf we do behind the scenes... ARE SOME DEVS GAMES PROTECTED?????? YES.... Because THEY asked them to be. NOT because YOU CANT WAIT for a legitimate release. This is why we are different from other sites and are trying to earn the trust and respect of other devs......

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT... THERE IS THE DAMN DOOR... DONT LET IT HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT.....
Yes you pissed me off with your bullshit ignorance and its never a good idea....

 

[ady13]

"Your outside the staff you don't have a god damn clue wtf we do behind the scenes"
yeah thats why you need to clarify everything in the rules or site introduction? you said urself, how should i know what u guys do behind the scenes, shouldnt this be on the introduction of the server on how this site works instead of getting mad when people question why u threat threads differently..
Also giving devs full power to do what they want is all good but hows this different than fallowing the dev/artist on their personal sites/platforms etc? so pretty much all devs/creators that have a threat on this site is pretty much useless to fallow since they gonna post same thing they post on their other personal sites and only left thing to do is try find threads that are not owned by the devs so i have a chance to get something i cant get on their official sites?
As a member of the site im still confused whats this forum suppose to be, some threads members have full control and some threads devs have full control...so pretty much as a member i just have to avoid those threats owned by devs since nothing new will be posted there so if the site is splited in 2 diferent directions like this maybe make a new category for Threads owned by devs so people know what to expect and avoid them if they not interesting in that or go there if they want that.

 

[Mr. Tearson]

on how this site works instead of getting mad when people question why u threat threads differently..

Or you could just stop questioning the pointless things that was already answered quite a few times. "Why does air taste like air? Why does tree produce air? Why was the universe created?"

Everything is voted by the staffs, users, and Devs. That's how we got here. You gonna ask us what made us come up with this decision of voting? Lol. Really starting to think you don't know how sites work. It's like going to a whole new country. You don't want to insult their cultures just because you disagree with it.

Edit: AND keep it going. Really is leading to nowhere.

 

[ady13]

Im sure is not only me that is confused what site suppose to be maybe in hindsight you see it differently, i just express my POV as a member, literally on OP on thread it say that it allows other to update and people post an update it gets deleted and in reality only the dev allowed to update, in other threads this is fine to do it, you said you want to strike a balance between devs and members but wheres that balance when a dev own a thread, its literally 100 to 0 the balance and when a dev dont own the theat is other way around its 0 to 100 for the members, theres 0 balance between members and devs and its 0 indications that thats the case as well. Atleast if ur fine with this, make it visible for everyone to understand how it works.
Im just expressing what i see as a member POV and as i see you guys cant accept constructive criticism , ill stop wasting my breath then if u already make up ur mind ur system is flawless.

 

[Heisenberg]

This is the final statement from me or any staff members in this thread. We do not offer extended waiting periods for any members/developers. After 14 days, any member's game is subject to being shared/leaked by LC members or staff. If this policy is unclear, please feel free to leave the discussion.